Cont: Roe v Wade overturned - this is some BS part II

[Aridas]

Yes. First they lead plated it by saying felons had to pay off any "court fees" before they would be allowed to vote. No, they weren't gonna tell you what you owed.

They didn't necessarily even know what was owed, apparently, on top of a lot of those fees being exorbitant. Makes things ripe for false accusations and extortion.

 

[Hercules56]

At first before Rowe was overturned I thought maybe it would be a good idea to see what the people in a different states really believed in but now that women have lost a lot of Rights in many states I think overturning role was a bad idea and we need Federal guarantee for a certain minimum level of abortion rights in the entire country.

 

[acbytesla]

At first before Rowe was overturned I thought maybe it would be a good idea to see what the people in a different states really believed in but now that women have lost a lot of Rights in many states I think overturning role was a bad idea and we need Federal guarantee for a certain minimum level of abortion rights in the entire country.

Being Pedantic It's Roe. But some of that is probably autocorrect.

Otherwise I agree. But the partisan in me doesn't mind how this has been affecting political races across the country.

 

[autumn1971]

Congress should make the regulations set forth in Roe v Wade, Federal law.

At the bear minimum, elective 1st trimester abortions should be legal in all 50 states.

The bear minimum would be zero bears, depending on weather the null set is conditional.
Either way, I agree with republicans that bears should not perform abortions

 

[plague311]

The bear minimum would be zero bears, depending on weather the null set is conditional.
Either way, I agree with republicans that bears should not perform abortions

Whether bears are bare depends on the weather.

 

[bruto]

Unfortunately, for some in this country, the bear minimum is abstinence. Absent that the only choice is whether or not to grin.

 

[autumn1971]

Unfortunately, for some in this country, the bear minimum is abstinence. Absent that the only choice is whether or not to grin.

Grin and bear arms?

 

[slyjoe]

Even if we the citizens of Arizona pass it, I have no faith that the GOP dominated legislature will do it. We passed legalization of weed 5 or 6 times before the legislature actually did it. There is little or no actual power with the voter, as far as legislation goes, in Arizona.

I have no idea what the process is since all of these bills listed the exact legal changes that were supposed to be entered into our law, but somehow the legislature always ignored the prescribed changes or blocked them from from going into effect.

I don't know where you got this information. Medical marijuana was finally approved by Prop 203 with 50.1% of the vote. Prop 207 was approved in 2020 with 60% of the votes.

The abortion rights measure is an amendment to the constitution. It's a little different than the acts passed by voters regarding marijuana.

 

[kookbreaker]

It’s a few days old now but the Indiana DA has dropped their harassment “privacy” case against the doctor that told a newspaper that a 10 year old was pregnant.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/indiana-abortion-lawsuit-ohio-patient-privacy/

 

[plague311]

It’s a few days old now but the Indiana DA has dropped their harassment “privacy” case against the doctor that told a newspaper that a 10 year old was pregnant.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/indiana-abortion-lawsuit-ohio-patient-privacy/

It's kind of funny because they played it off as, "She did what we told her to do without talking back, so we're dropping this lawsuit because she's a good girl."

When in reality she didn't agree to or change anything. The hospital is doing the same training it always has, their policies are staying the same, and the only disciplinary actions he suffered was the medical board telling her not to share patient information.

 

[cosmicaug]

From https://www.propublica.org/article/georgia-abortion-ban-amber-thurman-death

[...]

After reviewing Thurman’s case, the committee highlighted Piedmont’s “lack of policies/procedures in place to evacuate uterus immediately” and recommended all hospitals implement policies “to treat a septic abortion on an ongoing basis.”

It is not clear from the records available why doctors waited to provide a D&C to Thurman, though the summary report shows they discussed the procedure at least twice in the hours before they finally did.

Piedmont did not have a policy to guide doctors on how to interpret the state abortion ban when Thurman arrived for care, according to two people with knowledge of internal conversations who were not authorized to speak publicly. In the months after she died, an internal task force of providers there created policies to educate staff on how to navigate the law, though they are not able to give legal advice, the sources said.

In interviews with more than three dozen OB-GYNs in states that outlawed abortion, ProPublica learned how difficult it is to interpret the vague and conflicting language in bans’ medical exceptions — especially, the doctors said, when their judgment could be called into question under the threat of prison time.

[...]

 

[Mongrel]

ProPublica learned how difficult it is to interpret the vague and conflicting language in bans’ medical exceptions — especially, the doctors said, when their judgment could be called into question under the threat of prison time.

So working as intended then.

 

[cosmicaug]

So working as intended then.

Pretty much.

Here is the other account mentioned:
https://www.salon.com/2024/09/18/afraid-to-seek-care-amid-georgias-abortion-ban-she-stayed-at-home-and_partner/

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

I remember some thriller movie I watched sometime before chemo, where there was a strict one child per woman rule. One woman and her partner had a stillbirth, which counted, and when she got pregnant again they were fleeing the country so she could keep it. They were caught at a scanning station checking for pregnancy, her husband was shot, and she was taken off to some kind of OBGYN prison for violators of the one child law or those who murdered their unborns. Her cellmate was a woman who'd had a miscarriage, when it went wrong she went to doctors and they reported her to police. She had taken a 'baby bomb', like she was charged with, but what strikes me now, is doctors saved her life. They weren't afraid they'd be in trouble if they didn't let her die, that's the biggest difference between the movie and now.

 

[smartcooky]

So working as intended then.

Yup... The vague, difficult to interpret, conflicting language is not a bug, its a feature!

 

[cosmicaug]

From https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-camp-says-state-menstrual-surveillance-programs-are-a-ok

One of the most toxic and politically explosive parts of the current abortion rights debate is tied the complexities and perhaps inanities of leaving national abortion policy up to individual states. And a comment yesterday from Trump spokesman Jason Miller put the question right back into the center of the campaign.

[...]

But yesterday in an interview on Newsmax of all places, a host asked Trump spokesman Jason Miller whether Donald Trump supported or wouldn’t aim to prevent states from enforcing their own menstrual surveillance regimes. It was one of those Fox-like interviews in which the host seems to go out of his way to signal what the right answer is. You wouldn’t do this, right?

“But he wouldn’t support monitoring pregnancies, even if a state decided to do that?” the host asked.

Miller responded that “he’s [i.e., Trump’s] made it very clear that he’s not going to go and weigh in and push various states on how they want to go and set up their particular rules and restrictions. That’s going to be up to the states.”

So he went there. It’s totally up to the states. Trump’s “leave it up to the states” approach applies to all these menstrual surveillance and travel restriction regimes as well. It’s a new opening for the Harris campaign to focus attention on an issue that hasn’t yet gotten enough attention — not just abortion rights as a general issue but states and county sheriffs’ effort to restrict women’s travel, access their medical records and current state of menstruation or gestation, and bar access to legal medications.

[...]

 

[cosmicaug]

From https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-emergency-abortion-texas-bf79fafceba4ab9df9df2489e5d43e72:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Monday let stand a decision barring emergency abortions that violate the law in Texas, which has one of the country’s strictest abortion bans.

Without detailing their reasoning, the justices kept in place a lower court order that said hospitals cannot be required to provide pregnancy terminations that would violate Texas law. There were no publicly noted dissents.

The Biden administration had asked the justices to throw out the lower court order, arguing that hospitals have to perform abortions in emergency situations under federal law. The administration pointed to the Supreme Court’s action in a similar case from Idaho earlier this year in which the justices narrowly allowed emergency abortions to resume while a lawsuit continues.

The administration also cited a Texas Supreme Court ruling that said doctors do not have to wait until a woman’s life is in immediate danger to provide an abortion legally. The administration said it brings Texas in line with federal law and means the lower court ruling is not necessary.

Texas asked the justices to leave the order in place, saying the state Supreme Court ruling meant Texas law, unlike Idaho’s, does have an exception for the health of a pregnant patient and there’s no conflict between federal and state law.

[...]

 

[Resume]

I'm thinking this isn't constitutional.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration is threatening TV stations that air ads in support of an abortion rights ballot initiative with criminal penalties, including jail time.

DeSantis and his allies are already spending large sums of taxpayer dollars to fight Amendment 4, which would enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution if voted into law in November. His “election police” have interrogated and intimidated residents who signed petitions to put it on the ballot. His administration created a publicly funded, state-run website condemning the amendment, and has run ads promoting the current law, which bans abortions after six weeks.

Now, however, DeSantis is escalating the battle: On Oct. 3, his Department of Health sent a letter to at least one local NBC affiliate suggesting that prosecutors could bring criminal charges against the TV station for airing ads that encourage residents to vote for the amendment. The letter, first reported by investigative journalist Jason Garcia, asserted that the ads violate Florida’s “sanitary nuisance” law and that stations may commit a second-degree misdemeanor by carrying them, subjecting their employees to a 60-day jail sentence.

DeSantis is a sanitary nuisance.

 

[Stacyhs]

Sounds to me like election interference.

 

[cosmicaug]

I'm thinking this isn't constitutional.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration is threatening TV stations that air ads in support of an abortion rights ballot initiative with criminal penalties, including jail time.

DeSantis and his allies are already spending large sums of taxpayer dollars to fight Amendment 4, which would enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution if voted into law in November. His “election police” have interrogated and intimidated residents who signed petitions to put it on the ballot. His administration created a publicly funded, state-run website condemning the amendment, and has run ads promoting the current law, which bans abortions after six weeks.

Now, however, DeSantis is escalating the battle: On Oct. 3, his Department of Health sent a letter to at least one local NBC affiliate suggesting that prosecutors could bring criminal charges against the TV station for airing ads that encourage residents to vote for the amendment. The letter, first reported by investigative journalist Jason Garcia, asserted that the ads violate Florida’s “sanitary nuisance” law and that stations may commit a second-degree misdemeanor by carrying them, subjecting their employees to a 60-day jail sentence.

DeSantis is a sanitary nuisance.

There are a number of states that people need to pay attention to because I am certain that the GOP is looking at them as models for what could be implemented nationwide (but turned up to 11). Wisconsin over the last 20 years (for political machinations to maintain a minority rule) is one such state. Florida under DeSantis (for straight up fascist tactics) is another.