Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

[drewid]

catweasel, one thing Menard has consistently failed to do is to show proof that fotl works despite him claiming it does.

When I first encountered Maynard (possibly in this very thread IIRC) I asked him what evidence he had that the scheme worked, expecting him to come back with something even if it was crackpot.

Nothing, nada, zip; just tumbleweeds.

 

[Hans]

That won't matter at all in the least to the people I know. Do you not understand what kind of people I have to deal with? I have kids, and a house and these guys know where I live and do not play around. So its out, I am not calling the cops on him. Sorry but I have to think of my kids. Speaking of my kids, its park time.

Back in an hour or so.

Catweasel sorry but you are lying you were not asked that. I repeat again

No, I said you should go to a police station with your friend and prove they won't touch him, by filming it.....is it clear now Rob? I mean you SAID they won't touch him so prove it....

Clear now? Or do you feel lying about it will make it disappear? lol

 

[ComfySlippers]

Okay last response...
You would have to ask them. I am not selling it.

I was accepting your position that he was, trying to find agreement.

My defense for fraud? I do not understand... what am I selling that would bring charges of fraud? I am a good mechanic, and do not defraud anyone.

OH, you are speaking to me like I am Menard. I really wish you guys would let me prove somehow I am not Menard. Its getting tiresome and I will probably just stop posting here if it continues.

Okay to the park!

Tbh at first you did seem to be another of Menard's socks. However I believe you are not now.

Your misguided interest in FOTL-Waffle is still just that though.

Stay away from it. It is nothing more than a reaaly badly thought out scam that profits no-hopers like Menard.

Enjoy the park.

 

[Stacey Grove]

catweasel, a suggestion.
Watch all of Menard's videos, read all of his tuition packs or whatever they are called, and then try it out for yourself for a couple of years.
Then come back and tell us how you got on.
But we will expect proof, not anecdotes.

 

[jargon buster]

Okay to the park!

Dont forget to take the kids with you, the police don't like people going and just taking one home afterwards.

 

[ComfySlippers]

catweasel, a suggestion.
Watch all of Menard's videos, read all of his tuition packs or whatever they are called, and then try it out for yourself for a couple of years.
Then come back and tell us how you got on.
But we will expect proof, not anecdotes.

I have to slap your bottom here SG.

To buy all of Menard's fake legal advice educational videos would cost a fortune if you wanted the super secret course packs included.

It would end with same result that every mark of Menard has ever experienced of course.
Bigger fines / time in jail / a vacation in the loony bin.

And most people who fall for Menard's silly con are people who don't have the money to waste on such nonsense in the first place.

Ill call this "Strike 1".

(It would seem that Menardese is actually an easy language to master! (Or have I simply deconstructed English? Dam. Back to square one... In my chariot. ..Which Im not using for commercial purposes. My horses are
saying they are natural persons. Oh the dilema. )

 

[jargon buster]

Back to square one... In my chariot.

That would be ''ecclesiastical pursuit chariot'', come on have you learned nothing.

 

[Stacey Grove]

To buy all of Menard's fake legal advice educational videos would cost a fortune if you wanted the super secret course packs included.

It would end with same result that every mark of Menard has ever experienced of course.
Bigger fines / time in jail / a vacation in the loony bin.

Well, catweasel came here asking for proof that Menard is a conman.
What you describe would be proof enough would it not?

Feel free to slap by bottom anytime.
It's one of my guilty pleasures

 

[jargon buster]

I have kids, and a house and these guys know where I live and do not play around.

Wow, so you are saying these freeman type are violent and would harm children?
It seems Adrienne Arsenault's little piece on that scumbag Menard was true after all.
Yes, I guess you could call yourself a witness for the prosecution catweasel.

Oh, just one more thing, why do you travel around in a car full of people who would harm kids?

 

[Baldric]

Not being prosecuted for a crime does not mean that no crime has been committed.

The FMOTL legal position has always failed when used in court, this proves it doesn't work.

Trying to argue with a FMOTL fundamentalist is no different to arguing with Young Earth Creationist, logic and fact are pretty much irrelevant.

 

[LashL]

I was with him the other night on the long weekend, we went through a check stop here in Ontario, and the cops saw his plate and just waved him through, and everyone else they stopped and made sure they weren't drinking.

But as I said, I saw with my own eyes the cops just wave us past, and looking at us with anger and hatred.

I find this exceedingly difficult to believe. Where in Ontario did this allegedly occur?

Plus I know that he is working now without a SIN and is not getting anything taken from his pay check

You 'know' this how?

 

[catweasel]

catweasel, a suggestion.
Watch all of Menard's videos, read all of his tuition packs or whatever they are called, and then try it out for yourself for a couple of years.
Then come back and tell us how you got on.
But we will expect proof, not anecdotes.

I know what you are doing! You trying to get me killed! (jk) First call the cops when most of my customers are HA, now try out FMOTL? ‘Da Boss’ would go ape nuts on me, I would wake up tied to our bed, balls in a vice and her slowly driving knitting needles in my ears! She already doesn’t want my bud coming over any more, and thinks he is a freeloading anarchist. Plus, I like my life how it is now. And my biggest concern like most parents is my children. I think Canada is one of the best places to live and even if FMOTL is real and not a bunch of crap, who will pay for the services and healthcare and roads and schools?

My instinct says its a load of BS, but I did see him get waved through a check stop. So that confused me. But I had another friend who was growing pot he thought that he was free and clear because the police knew about it and did nothing, and then got busted and charged for all his crops. The cops had been watching him and gave him enough rope to hang himself. I think maybe that is what the cops might be doing now. But I don’t really know.

 

[Horatius]

I agree and wish I had some proof, cause then maybe you wouldn't all be accusing me of being someone I am not...

But, your need for evidence is not applicable when it comes to calling Menard a conman, right? That you have all agreed on, with no evidence or proof, and now if anyone asks you for proof, you attack them just like the FMOTL attack those who ask for evidence. If you continually fail to provide evidence of your claims that Menard is a conman is it not fair to conclude that those who promote the belief that he is a conman are the conmen themselves? Good for the goose and all that.

That is what I don't understand. Shouldn't the level of proof you demand from the FMOTL cult to prove their beliefs be applied to your beliefs?

Does anyone else see the discrepancy and double standard? Or is it just me?

Next verse, same as the first!

Remember this post?

Demanding "Proof" is an avoidance tactic often used by those who don't want to look at the evidence.


Can we "prove" that Menard is a conman via convictions in court for that very accusation? No, we can't.

But we can point to evidence that supports the conclusion that he's a conman. All evidence and all conclusions are open to challenge, and that is legitimate. But demanding one and only one type of evidence, while ignoring all others, isn't useful.

We do have lots of evidence that FOTL in general is fundamentally incorrect: Every time we can see that it has been tested in the venues where such tests really matter (police interactions and court cases), it has demonstrably failed.

We know, despite all that, that Menard, and others of his ilk, continue to ply their wares, in full knowledge that they've failed as discussed above. That's evidence of their fraudulent intent.

Now, Menard has claimed that he has lots of "evidence" that this works by "keeping people out of court in the first place". However, that evidence exists only in Menard's mind - it's pure hearsay, backed up literally by nothing more than his word. He actively refuses to provide anything more than that.

So, we have clear cut positive evidence of FOTL's failures, clear cut positive evidence of Menard's continuing to sell his FOTL schemes, and only hearsay evidence from Menard himself as to FOTL's successes. The conclusion we reach, as reasonable people, is that Menard is a conman.

So, were he willing to substantiate his claims to FOTL successes, we'd re-visit that conclusion. But at this point, the reasonable provisional conclusion is that he's a conman.

If that's not enough for your friend, well, that's his life; but if and when Menard walks away with his money, he'd better expect us to say we told him so, because we will.

You'd better remember it, you responded to it. Asking questions, then pretending they haven't been answered at all will make you no friends here, and in fact is probably the main reason people think you're not honestly interested in our responses, but are merely trolling in order to promote FOTLism.

If you come here with honest questions, and engage in honest discourse with us, we'll get along fine, and people will bend over backwards to help you see the problems with FOTLism. But if you play the "JAQing off" game, and start pretending that answers weren't given just a page or two ago, you'll get nothing but derision. And you won't deserve anything more than derision.

We've seen more than our fill of JAQoff artists around here. I really hope you'll turn out to be more than that.

 

[catweasel]

Wow, so you are saying these freeman type are violent and would harm children?
It seems Adrienne Arsenault's little piece on that scumbag Menard was true after all.
Yes, I guess you could call yourself a witness for the prosecution catweasel.

Oh, just one more thing, why do you travel around in a car full of people who would harm kids?

Maybe I was not clear. About 60% of my work comes from maintenance and repair of Harleys. Owned by a certain group... they are not Freemen and already do not care about the law at all. THEY are the ones I am worried about if I call the cops.

The co-worker I was with would never harm my kids, or any other for that matter. He is a BIG C Christian, and a gentle enough guy, and I outweigh him by 40 lbs. But calling the cops on him would result in some people never coming back to me for work. The rest of my business is basic maintenance for friends and high end restorations. (is there any other car guys here who visit racingjunk.com? I love that site)

As for him being a scum bag, I try not to judge people I have never met, and even then, I don't like to judge. Probably a result of who I work for so much. A lot of them once you know them are as solid as they come. Until they think you are the type to call the cops.

 

[catweasel]

not being prosecuted for a crime does not mean that no crime has been committed.

The fmotl legal position has always failed when used in court, this proves it doesn't work.

Trying to argue with a fmotl fundamentalist is no different to arguing with young earth creationist, logic and fact are pretty much irrelevant.

agreed!

 

[catweasel]

I find this exceedingly difficult to believe. Where in Ontario did this allegedly occur?




You 'know' this how?

On the 11 north of Orillia just south of Gravenhurst.

I saw his pay stub. No deductions at all...

 

[catweasel]

Dont forget to take the kids with you, the police don't like people going and just taking one home afterwards.

The way mine have been getting along and driving me nuts I almost wish that someone would take them home. I threatened today to send them to bible camp and I am the biggest atheist you will ever meet. They have only been out of school for a week or two, and it feels like a decade.

 

[catweasel]

That would be ''ecclesiastical pursuit chariot'', come on have you learned nothing.

um, I don't get it....

 

[catweasel]

Tbh at first you did seem to be another of Menard's socks. However I believe you are not now.

Your misguided interest in FOTL-Waffle is still just that though.

Stay away from it. It is nothing more than a reaaly badly thought out scam that profits no-hopers like Menard.

Enjoy the park.

Sorry about that I didn't mean to do that.

I have no interest in FOTL-Waffle and care a lot more about cars and rebuilding them. Some of my friends and co-workers are getting interested in it though, I have been arguing against it and felt like I was losing with them and wanted information to win some arguments. I can't wait to show them the court order against Menard on Monday.

 

[catweasel]

Catweasel sorry but you are lying you were not asked that. I repeat again

No, I said you should go to a police station with your friend and prove they won't touch him, by filming it.....is it clear now Rob? I mean you SAID they won't touch him so prove it....

Clear now? Or do you feel lying about it will make it disappear? lol

I think it might have been just miscommunication, and that is not lying.

I am not the kind of guy who would call the cops. Not for any reason really. I do not trust them, and the people I hang with would hang me. I would lose just about all my business.