Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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Okay I think I answered all posts directed at me and I have to go now... (anyone want two kids for a week or so? )
 
catweasel said:
hahaha! Sweet! Thank you D'Rok! That I can use! I can't wait to show it to my friend!

What does it mean though? What happened to make them do that to him I mean? I understand what it says, but not why it says what it says. Did someone complain about him? If so, do you have that? That would be a nail in his coffin for sure!

Do you have an analysis or explanation I can use?

Will have to check back later, I have to go to the park now before the kids explode.

Again, thanks D'Rok. That is the kind of stuff I was looking for and why I came here! Do you have more?
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That court order is the culmination of his activities in BC and is likely a large part of the reason why he no longer lives there.

I don't know if somebody submitted a complaint or if the Law Society initiated its own investigation, but I do know that he was very active in the BC court system while he was there.

Some of the events leading up to that court order include the Lance Thatcher fiasco (Menard sold Lance documents to use in court and generally filled his head with pseudo-legal nonsense) and the Marc Emery case (Menard appeared personally to try to get status as an intervenor using his FOTL crap and was shot down in flames). He also sold his packages to a Nova Scotia couple who subsequently failed spectacularly in court.

In every case, he blames the inevitable failure not on his materials or his involvement but on his victims.

His current scam involves conning people into paying him a monthly fee for a bogus credit scheme that he knows is illegal. He even has the gall to display a news article about previous attempts to profit from the scheme at the beginning of his sales video. The article contains quotes from the Ontario court cases that shut the previous scammer down.

There is more and more...
 
catweasel said:
On the 11 north of Orillia just south of Gravenhurst.
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I do not believe this story. As a lawyer who works on behalf of various police agencies, and one who has a long professional history with police policies, protocols, and procedures, and one who has first hand experience with how the police deal with Freeloaders on the Land, and one who also knows the O.P.P. policies and procedures and their dealings with Freeloaders on the Land here in Ontario, I cannot credit this story at all. The police do not give FoTL idiots a pass in the manner that you have described.


catweasel said:
I saw his pay stub. No deductions at all...
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Unless your 'friend' is an aboriginal engaged in eligible tax-exempt work on a reserve, or your 'friend' is an independent contractor, your employer is required to deduct federal tax, provincial tax, CPP, and EI.

There is no FoTL exemption of any sort in the Income Tax Act.
 
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LashL said:
I do not believe this story. As a lawyer who works on behalf of various police agencies, and one who has a long professional history with police policies, protocols, and procedures, and one who has first hand experience with how the police deal with Freeloaders on the Land, and one who also knows the O.P.P. policies and procedures and their dealings with Freeloaders on the Land here in Ontario, I cannot credit this story at all. The police do not give FoTL idiots a pass in the manner that you have described.
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Well, of course you're going to deny it, you're in on the big bad gubmint conspiracy! But when a freeman goes to court and says all the right things, you and the judge will both panic and run from the courtroom.
 
catweasel said:
I think it might have been just miscommunication, and that is not lying.

I am not the kind of guy who would call the cops. Not for any reason really. I do not trust them, and the people I hang with would hang me. I would lose just about all my business.
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Catweasel you are lying again. Stop lying. You were asked to go with your friend to the police and verify that they won't touch him. Not turn him in, which in this case shouldn't work

You simply made up this distortion to provide a way to avoid providing proof

Try to get it right uh? lol

So together with you friend, contact the police, go with him to the police and you film their acceptance of his plates and his FMOLT status....siimle eh, will you do that? of course not
 
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catweasel said:
That sounds like ratting, and I would get hurt doing that. I do a lot of mechanic work for a certain group known to ride Harleys, and doing that would cost me business and possibly a lot more. So no, I will not be ratting him out like that.

Of course. If you are in Canada you are subject to the laws that the majority have agreed to. That is one of the main reasons I think FMOTL is BS. Plus I hate the idea of paying for roads with my taxes and others not having to do so. But as I said, I saw with my own eyes the cops just wave us past, and looking at us with anger and hatred. Plus I know that he is working now without a SIN and is not getting anything taken from his pay check while I pay through the nose for EI, Welfare and CPP which I have never even used! That is BS and makes me mad.
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How can you think it's BS when you can see it working with your own eyes?
 
My instinct says its a load of BS, but I did see him get waved through a check stop.
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So you see it work and don't believe it, yet you call Menard a conman without any evidence whatsoever?

Come on catweasel, you really need to remember what you are writing in previous posts, fact is people only get caught out when they make stuff up.
 
As for him being a scum bag, I try not to judge people I have never met, and even then, I don't like to judge. Probably a result of who I work for so much.
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Earlier you wrote
I tried telling him that Menard is a conman, but he wants proof.
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:confused::rolleyes:

What a Menard.
 
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catweasel said:
I try not to judge people I have never met, and even then, I don't like to judge.
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Wow. Really? You try not to judge people you have never met?
You came here looking for assistance because you got involved in an argument where you made a judgement on somebody you have never met.
You judged him to be a conman. Without meeting him.
You are contradicting yourself.
 
ComfySlippers said:
Your'e mistaken.

That .pdf refers to one Robert Arthur Menard.

Our cunning hero has used a colon, (OK, don't go there folks. We all know he talks out of his arse), to create a new person who is immune from any law, (mostly drinking, smoking pot, anything you have to pay for etc). Ten years of these dastardly ingenious plots to undermine the evil Admiralty Courts have worn me out.

I say Menard has a FOTL-Win.

I look forward to reading about it in Succes Stories Urgent: I need help.
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Shouldn't that be "Urgent of the I need help family"?
 
Horatius said:
. . .Menard has claimed that he has lots of "evidence" that this works by "keeping people out of court in the first place". However, that evidence exists only in Menard's mind - it's pure hearsay, backed up literally by nothing more than his word. He actively refuses to provide anything more than that.
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I am sure the group has noticed that so called freeman success stories are so very often told relating information that is solely possessed by the freeman making the claim?

The freeman claims so often involve unrecorded traffic stops, chance encounters with beat cops and claimed triumphs over a clerk at city hall.

So often the freeman tells us that he stunned the authority figure with his brilliance and sent the officer or clerk away trembling in fear that a freeman had learned the secret of government power.

Menard has a story about overcoming a cop who caught him drinking beer in public. Keith “call me Kathy” Thompson had a good one about how a cop declined to shake his hand realizing that doing so who put him under contract to Thompson. One wonders how Thompson knew the cop was so well versed in freeman woo.

I could go on. . . .

But when the traffic stop gets put on video, or the matter is entered into the court record the successes seem to melt away like snow cones in a Midwest heat wave.

Who do these guys think they are fooling?
 
Their belief is religious in nature - the messiah has come, he's/she is here, they are just around the corner, they are at the door.......oh..........the messiah has come....the belief never gets justified
 
arayder said:
So often the freeman tells us that he stunned the authority figure with his brilliance and sent the officer or clerk away trembling in fear that a freeman had learned the secret of government power.
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And always from their subjective POV.

Menard has a story about overcoming a cop who caught him drinking beer in public. Keith “call me Kathy” Thompson had a good one about how a cop declined to shake his hand realizing that doing so who put him under contract to Thompson. One wonders how Thompson knew the cop was so well versed in freeman woo.
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I'd bet good money the other side of the story would have been; 1) cop decided the crazy person drinking in public wasn't worth the effort/danger of arresting. 2) cop decided he'd rather not touch the hand of the dirty crazy person, ungloved.
 
Robrob said:
And always from their subjective POV.


I'd bet good money the other side of the story would have been; 1) cop decided the crazy person drinking in public wasn't worth the effort/danger of arresting. 2) cop decided he'd rather not touch the hand of the dirty crazy person, ungloved.
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Number two is probably correct, but the stories that Menard tells almost always involve the police/judge clearly and overtly acknowledging that he is a freeman and therefore free to disobey statutes. There's no way that they could be genuine misunderstandings born of ignorance; they're deliberate lies.
 
As noted long ago in this tread, for the judges and police to 'know all about FMOLT" they would have to be trained......so where are the manuals, powerpoints, teachers course notes for this training?

Imaginary of course...unless Menard believes that after gaining their police 'commission' they are taken into a dark room and told the awful truth about all the arcane rules and magic words.....lol
 
Of all the police officers I know (5 Ottawa City, 1 York Regional, a Mountie, several Military Police and 1 Ontario Fish and Game Warden) most will roll eyes and go, "Those whack jobs!"
 
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