Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims
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I bet Roberts glad he came here 
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http://consumerpurchasers.ca/?page_id=273
If you are an artist you can get money for things to help you produce your work, but hang on...in the list of things not covered are 'Tools for your trade, calling or business'.
Great so Menard gets the cash to buy pebbles for his dashing.
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How does the store know how many pairs of shoes and shirts you're buying and wheres the legislation laying down how many you can have????
This is lunacy, and the website is changing daily, he cant make his mind up what he believes.
If you are an artist you can get money for things to help you produce your work, but hang on...in the list of things not covered are 'Tools for your trade, calling or business'.
Great so Menard gets the cash to buy pebbles for his dashing.
also Robert writes
He just keeps pulling things out of his backside, who says they will be limited? Is it the store, the bank or is it simply Robert.
How does the store know how many pairs of shoes and shirts you're buying and wheres the legislation laying down how many you can have????
This is lunacy, and the website is changing daily, he cant make his mind up what he believes.
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Horatius
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He hasn't even thought through the contradictions of some of this.
Covered: Car -Gas, oil and maintenance
Not Covered: gas for your work vehicle
How can you tell gas for your car and gas for your work vehicle apart? What if your car is your work vehicle?
Covered: Tires/chains
Not Covered: Things you can resell
So, you can't re-sell tires or chains? Someone better tell that to Kajiji!
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This will brobably be the old "if you're using a car whilst acting in commerce you're driving, if you're using it in the private you're travelling" argument. So, I suppose if you use the same vehicle for both you may have to keep a log.
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From the "Are you an artist?" section:
That question is easily answered:
artist idiot who is sending Menard $125 a month. Duh!
That question is easily answered:
An artist who is not a member can get exactly the same benefits as an
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Robert Menard never thinks through any of his dingbat "philosophy." He's a clownish conman who sells a bunch of wishful thinking that falls apart immediately when put into practice. Badly. Whether it's the problem of what a freeman does who causes a horrific injury while driving without insurance, or the problem that "do no harm" "law" would likely mean child pornographers would escape justice, or that his Freeman Valley would be about as free as a feudal lord's estate, Rob Menard clearly ignores obvious straightforward horrific consequences of the policies he advocates.
The only thing he has ever thought through is that if he actually pulled the crap he claims he does on the Internet, he'd be in jail. But after seeing the association of Canadian Consumer Purchasers website, I'm not even sure of that.
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Oh ..so the $62.50 thats deducted from your $125 that allegedly goes to the artist of your choice doesnt really, it goes in Menards pocket and the artist gets a useless credit card that no one on earth will accept.
It just gets better
If the past is anything to go by Menards name wont be linked to the site, he will have got some deluded 'mark' to do all that for him.
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There is the option to pay your monthly fee of $125 by cheque. It would be interesting to find out who you have to make the cheque out to.
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Actually, it's not that hard to set up a bank account in the name of an organization, so you can accept cheques made out to the organization. We've got a set-up like that for our dojo. The bank has records of who we really are that the police could access if needed, but regular people wouldn't be able to figure that out based just on payments made to the dojo.
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Payable to 'Bank of Canada' would actually work wouldnt it?
If Rob set up a bank account that everyone paid into and only a few people used when neccessary it would be no different than a CO-OP.
PS keep an eye on his site for this idea to be stolen and used.
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Don't forget to look over his brochure/flier that I am sure he will be handing out. He will easily fool the easily fooled. Not right.
This entire episode is hillarious in a sad way, yet I can not help but feel anger at the fraud he is presenting.
I see that in their efforts to ensure no Canadian goes without the basic necessities - except for clothing, obviously that has to be limited -they have now added restaurant meals to the other essentials of chiropractic, massage, gym memberships and car detailing.
It's almost as if someone had come up with an odd shopping list of stuff they didn't want to pay for and built a stupid con around it.
It's almost as if someone had come up with an odd shopping list of stuff they didn't want to pay for and built a stupid con around it.
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Pretty much sums up FOTL-Waffle, ACCP and Menard.
The ACCP site gets funnier every day.
Why Your Business Needs an ACCP Provider Account
You couldn't make something so stupid up if you tried.
...and yet Rob is more than happy to take peoples cash off them.
"That'll be $800 please Lance"
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I love how he's trying to look sooo professional, but still can't avoid saying things like "smokes" instead of cigarettes, and taking a jab at lawyers by including them under the heading of "Things of no value".
Here's another hint Menard: Real financial service providers don't take petty potshots at people who've annoyed them in the past, and also try to sound more educated than the Trailer Park Boys.
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Lets say ACCP member "A" goes to vendor member "B"s establishment, and proceeds to pay "B" with a "consumer note" or whatever the hell they are advocating. Member "B" then goes to collect said funds from the BOC, who laugh and tell him/her the 'note/card' is useless.
Member "B" wises up and realizes he/she paid REAL MONEY for the inventory "A" purchased with a wonky "note/card". "B" decides to pursue a remedy to the money he shows as a loss. Would not this then be fraud on behalf of member "A"?
Member "B" wises up and realizes he/she paid REAL MONEY for the inventory "A" purchased with a wonky "note/card". "B" decides to pursue a remedy to the money he shows as a loss. Would not this then be fraud on behalf of member "A"?
Menard probably has a somewhat-justified fear of credit cards, in that using one leaves a paper trail, making it harder to hide income.
I'm actually surprised that there is a bank account to which money can be deposited.
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I noticed that also and it reeks of an amatuerish fraud.
His marks may not even think twice, or may simply want to beleive (Religion) so much that they will overlook the obvious.
Don't forget to look over his brochure/flier that I am sure he will be handing out. He will easily fool the easily fooled. Not right.
Um, can't everything be purchased with cash? Isn't that the very definition of what cash is for? I'm also pretty sure I've put chips and gum on my VISA and paid cash for things that Rob considers a consumer purchase (e.g. Burger).From the Flyer under Purchases NOT Included: said:
Sad thing is that there are a few very desperate and/or very gullible people that might think this is their salvation.
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