Actually, yes I can. To associate means "to connect or to bring into relation with." I created the Bosozoku Identification Number system, and then I assigned you BIN 12345 without your consent or approval. I have unilaterally connected you with and brought you into relation with a BIN number. You can pretend I didn't all you want, but it happened.
I am going to go ahead and guess that when you were born that your parents applied for a SIN, and that you were assigned one by the Canadian government. You weren't legally capable of accepting anything, and yet they went ahead and "associated" you with that number nonetheless. Why? Because the government decides who to assign an SIN to, not you. The same way I just assigned you a BIN. They're free to do it.
Why would they send me anything? They only send things to people they are in an association with, and with the abandonment of the SIN I used to have, that association was broken.So, did they send you a piece of paper saying that they've revoked your SIN? Would you care to produce it if they did?
Of course freedom of association applies to SIN's. They have to be applied for, they are not assigned arbitrarily by the HRC without the recipients having no choice in the matter.
The kind of evidence you might produce is, of course, up to you. An example might be a letter from the government confirming that you are no longer associated with the number that was once your SIN, or acknowledging that you are not obliged to pay income tax as a result.
This is what happens when a narcissist snaps.Go forth my Minions, and do my bidding.![]()
You have done so in your mind, but not in mine.
Why would they send me anything? They only send things to people they are in an association with, and with the abandonment of the SIN I used to have, that association was broken.
Wasn't that a line from "The Wizard of Oz" by the Wicked Witch of the West to her legion of Flying Monkeys?
Fitz
Rob I take offence to this passage. Although the capabiltiy you refer to seems to question my intelect I would say that the capabilty you should be refering to is the abiltity to rationalize any behaviour that fits your model, use word games to do the same. Rhetoric and semantics are no replacement for honest discourse. Although these "capabilities" may serve you well in your role in the fmotl world they are not things I aspire to, neither will I encourage the ability to justify any behaviour to my son. Sometimes we need to just step up and say we are not right.
All these questions but you won't answer mine. Those wealthy people who have never applied for a SIN, and do not have one, do you think they have to leave the country too? YES or NO please.... and if so, how do you intend to make them?
Also, how do you claim anyone can force another to associate with a number?
I can't believe nobody has referenced how much better Patrick McGoohan made the point about not associating with a number.
A court decision saying that someone else could legally do this might be a start.
It doesn't matter in whose "mind" the association took place - I have associated you with a BIN. You can stand on the tallest mountain, or scream from the highest hilltop, or post on every forum on the Internet, but I have a list of people with BIN's and your name is on that list. You don't have to accept this if you don't want to, but it is a fact.
The association was only broken on your end. Do you have anything to prove that they agreed to sever the association?
Pretty sure it was - and didn't the minions wear some sort of fez?
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I am sure they do, but they are not necessary for you to answer the question are they? You seem desperate to avoid the question. Those who are adults and never even applied for a SIN, do they have to leave the country? YES or NO please...Who are these straw men? Do they have actual names? Contact information? You know...the usual paraphernalia of modern life? Or are these yet more constructs of your imagination?
You can choose not to...insofar as you find a tidy little cell in Kingston for some set amount of time a worthwhile price for juvenile pretension.
Fitz
No Canadian has to leave the country (other than when extradited to face criminal charges in a country with which we have an extradition treaty, etc.). All of us have the right to be here as enshrined in the Charter.I am sure they do, but they are not necessary for you to answer the question are they? You seem desperate to avoid the question. Those who are adults and never even applied for a SIN, do they have to leave the country? YES or NO please...
Why don't you do your own due diligence and read the *********** law? If you are lazy, you could even just read the Wikipedia summary on freedom of association in Canada. Here it is. See any examples of people associating with or disassociating themselves from numbers?Why do you not do your own due diligence, maybe call a lawyer and ask if in their opinion you are obliged to get, have and keep a SIN? Ask if the right to associate as you see fit includes choosing to not associate? Ask if it is legally possible to associate oneself with a number and to not associate with a number. Call HRC and ask if you are obliged to have a SIN.
Sorry, forgot to address this in my previous post. Freedom of association does not apply to SIN's. Freedom of association means the freedom to associate with individuals of your choosing, not with the freedom from being associated with a number.
I'm not Canadian, but my understanding of SIN's is that they work like SSN's in that a baby's parents apply for one at birth, and it is then assigned by the government. If that's the case, SIN's are assigned every single day without the person the number identified applying for an SIN. And that individual has no choice, because he or she does not have the mental state required to apply for one. Why does this work? Because it doesn't matter if they accept. SIN's are the government's numbers, and they can assign them however they want.
I am sure they do, but they are not necessary for you to answer the question are they?
You seem desperate to avoid the question. Those who are adults and never even applied for a SIN, do they have to leave the country? YES or NO please...
Jail for not having a SIN? Really? Where does it state that?
I can't believe nobody has referenced how much better Patrick McGoohan made the point about not associating with a number.
Patrick of the family McGoohan said:"I am not a Social Insurance Number, I am a Freeman-On-The-Land!"