Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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I can't believe nobody has referenced how much better Patrick McGoohan made the point about not associating with a number.
 
Actually, yes I can. To associate means "to connect or to bring into relation with." I created the Bosozoku Identification Number system, and then I assigned you BIN 12345 without your consent or approval. I have unilaterally connected you with and brought you into relation with a BIN number. You can pretend I didn't all you want, but it happened.
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You have done so in your mind, but not in mine. Sorry. If anyone asks "Do you have a BIN?" I will say NO, and that will be the truth. Nice try though.

I am going to go ahead and guess that when you were born that your parents applied for a SIN, and that you were assigned one by the Canadian government. You weren't legally capable of accepting anything, and yet they went ahead and "associated" you with that number nonetheless. Why? Because the government decides who to assign an SIN to, not you. The same way I just assigned you a BIN. They're free to do it.
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You would be wrong in this assumption too. Are you keeping track? Must be tiring labouring under so many false assumptions.

So, did they send you a piece of paper saying that they've revoked your SIN? Would you care to produce it if they did?
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Why would they send me anything? They only send things to people they are in an association with, and with the abandonment of the SIN I used to have, that association was broken.

Nice try though. Keep trying. It's cute. ;)
 
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FreemanMenard said:
Of course freedom of association applies to SIN's. They have to be applied for, they are not assigned arbitrarily by the HRC without the recipients having no choice in the matter.
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Sorry, forgot to address this in my previous post. Freedom of association does not apply to SIN's. Freedom of association means the freedom to associate with individuals of your choosing, not with the freedom from being associated with a number.

I'm not Canadian, but my understanding of SIN's is that they work like SSN's in that a baby's parents apply for one at birth, and it is then assigned by the government. If that's the case, SIN's are assigned every single day without the person the number identified applying for an SIN. And that individual has no choice, because he or she does not have the mental state required to apply for one. Why does this work? Because it doesn't matter if they accept. SIN's are the government's numbers, and they can assign them however they want.
 
Jon. said:
The kind of evidence you might produce is, of course, up to you. An example might be a letter from the government confirming that you are no longer associated with the number that was once your SIN, or acknowledging that you are not obliged to pay income tax as a result.
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A court decision saying that someone else could legally do this might be a start.
 
FreemanMenard said:
You have done so in your mind, but not in mine.
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It doesn't matter in whose "mind" the association took place - I have associated you with a BIN. You can stand on the tallest mountain, or scream from the highest hilltop, or post on every forum on the Internet, but I have a list of people with BIN's and your name is on that list. You don't have to accept this if you don't want to, but it is a fact.

Why would they send me anything? They only send things to people they are in an association with, and with the abandonment of the SIN I used to have, that association was broken.
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The association was only broken on your end. Do you have anything to prove that they agreed to sever the association?
 
Werdum said:
Rob I take offence to this passage. Although the capabiltiy you refer to seems to question my intelect I would say that the capabilty you should be refering to is the abiltity to rationalize any behaviour that fits your model, use word games to do the same. Rhetoric and semantics are no replacement for honest discourse. Although these "capabilities" may serve you well in your role in the fmotl world they are not things I aspire to, neither will I encourage the ability to justify any behaviour to my son. Sometimes we need to just step up and say we are not right.
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Sorry if I offended you. It was not my intent to offend anyone. Merely an observation. It was not directed to you, and I was quoting someone else.

Be well.
 
FreemanMenard said:
All these questions but you won't answer mine. Those wealthy people who have never applied for a SIN, and do not have one, do you think they have to leave the country too? YES or NO please.... and if so, how do you intend to make them?
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Who are these straw men? Do they have actual names? Contact information? You know...the usual paraphernalia of modern life? Or are these yet more constructs of your imagination?


FreemanMenard said:
Also, how do you claim anyone can force another to associate with a number?
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You can choose not to...insofar as you find a tidy little cell in Kingston for some set amount of time a worthwhile price for juvenile pretension.

Fitz
 
This farce is just the same idiotic nonsense as proclaiming "I don't call myself the Respondent therefore that court order doesn't apply to me".

And yes, he does say that about an actual court order against him. It's like an infant who covers his own eyes and says "you can't see me" to his parents.
 
Mojo said:
A court decision saying that someone else could legally do this might be a start.
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Why do you not do your own due diligence, maybe call a lawyer and ask if in their opinion you are obliged to get, have and keep a SIN? Ask if the right to associate as you see fit includes choosing to not associate? Ask if it is legally possible to associate oneself with a number and to not associate with a number. Call HRC and ask if you are obliged to have a SIN.
 
It doesn't matter in whose "mind" the association took place - I have associated you with a BIN. You can stand on the tallest mountain, or scream from the highest hilltop, or post on every forum on the Internet, but I have a list of people with BIN's and your name is on that list. You don't have to accept this if you don't want to, but it is a fact.
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And I have not. So sad for you eh? Because I have not, it does not affect me. What's a BIN anyways? Certainly nothing associated with me, in my mind. Have fun with YOUR list. It does not affect me in the least.

The association was only broken on your end. Do you have anything to prove that they agreed to sever the association?
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The association never existed on my end. Sorry, nice try. Don't give up, I am enjoying the lulz...

Sorry, were you referring to a SIN? Since any association between sentient beings requires mutual consent, I do not need their agreement to end the association. Nice try though!
 
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Who are these straw men? Do they have actual names? Contact information? You know...the usual paraphernalia of modern life? Or are these yet more constructs of your imagination?
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I am sure they do, but they are not necessary for you to answer the question are they? You seem desperate to avoid the question. Those who are adults and never even applied for a SIN, do they have to leave the country? YES or NO please...


You can choose not to...insofar as you find a tidy little cell in Kingston for some set amount of time a worthwhile price for juvenile pretension.

Fitz
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Jail for not having a SIN? Really? Where does it state that?
 
FreemanMenard said:
I am sure they do, but they are not necessary for you to answer the question are they? You seem desperate to avoid the question. Those who are adults and never even applied for a SIN, do they have to leave the country? YES or NO please...
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No Canadian has to leave the country (other than when extradited to face criminal charges in a country with which we have an extradition treaty, etc.). All of us have the right to be here as enshrined in the Charter.

Now, for the love of zombie Jesus, please at least do Fitz the courtesy of responding to his actual arguments, not the ones you wish he made. NO ONE HAS CLAIMED THAT NOT HAVING A SIN MEANS YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY. If you disagree, link.
 
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FreemanMenard said:
Why do you not do your own due diligence, maybe call a lawyer and ask if in their opinion you are obliged to get, have and keep a SIN? Ask if the right to associate as you see fit includes choosing to not associate? Ask if it is legally possible to associate oneself with a number and to not associate with a number. Call HRC and ask if you are obliged to have a SIN.
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Why don't you do your own due diligence and read the *********** law? If you are lazy, you could even just read the Wikipedia summary on freedom of association in Canada. Here it is. See any examples of people associating with or disassociating themselves from numbers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectio...of_Rights_and_Freedoms#Freedom_of_association

I know why you don't. It's because, like "security of the person", your absurd redefinition of words and concepts is completely unsupported by any court anywhere. So go ahead. Carry on making up your own constitutional rights. After all, it's perfectly consistent with your rejection of the rule of law.
 
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Bosozoku said:
Sorry, forgot to address this in my previous post. Freedom of association does not apply to SIN's. Freedom of association means the freedom to associate with individuals of your choosing, not with the freedom from being associated with a number.

I'm not Canadian, but my understanding of SIN's is that they work like SSN's in that a baby's parents apply for one at birth, and it is then assigned by the government. If that's the case, SIN's are assigned every single day without the person the number identified applying for an SIN. And that individual has no choice, because he or she does not have the mental state required to apply for one. Why does this work? Because it doesn't matter if they accept. SIN's are the government's numbers, and they can assign them however they want.
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Wow... the mindset you must suffer under!

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FreemanMenard said:
I am sure they do, but they are not necessary for you to answer the question are they?
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Why yes....yes, they are (at least if they aren't to join the legion of fez-wearing monkeys that seem to be emanating from your back passage. Absent that, it shall be consigned to the dustbin alongside your other such unsupported assertions.

FreemanMenard said:
You seem desperate to avoid the question. Those who are adults and never even applied for a SIN, do they have to leave the country? YES or NO please...
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Who said this? Thee or me? I don't recall those words emanating from me, ergo....

FreemanMenard said:
Jail for not having a SIN? Really? Where does it state that?
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For tax evasion (when of an egregious enough offence against the people). You can Google it if you like. It really mustn't be that difficult for you

Fitz
 
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