Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

[Border Reiver]

Now please tell me, how do you propose to force me to accept your number?

(grabs popcorn for Bosozuko's theatre of the absurd)

We'll just use it, BIN 12345.

 

[Werdum]

If they are delivered I would agree but if you pick them up how is that not part of your "job"? I think it a stretch to say getting to a constuction site is not part of the contract to do the job. If you believed in the tax act it would be technically true but since you don't I would say the arrival at the job site is intemately entwined with commerce, unlee you would have gone there regardless of the work you were doing.

 

[Paul]

I go pick them up.

What part of that makes it not commerce?

Using a road to get to a place of commerce is not the same as using them for commerce.

OK then, let's see your fancy new freemenardian definition of commerce.

 

[FreemanMenard]

don't give in now rob pal, you've been doing a good job of not commenting on jb's posts and i see you're about to relent. Remember it's driving him wild that you are ignoring him.

I only saw it cause someone quoted it, and it made me laugh.

 

[Border Reiver]

I only saw it cause someone quoted it, and it made me laugh.

Excellent BIN12345, humour is what we're getting from yourself as well.

 

[FreemanMenard]

Edited by jhunter1163: 

Edited for Rule 0.

 

[arayder]

I only saw it cause someone quoted it, and it made me laugh.

. . . and you are in one of your manic phases triggered by what we don't know.

 

[BobHaulk]

Generally they are delivered, or I go pick them up. Any commerce I engage i takes place off the roads, not on them. Using a road to get to a place of commerce is not the same as using them for commerce.

If i'm gonna be your pal and help you out with my perspective you've got to do better than this. One could ask that does commerce start when you accept the job and as such leaving the house and travelling to go do said job is surely part of commerce. This is gonna be hard being on your side.

 

[Border Reiver]

Go ahead, that certainly does not force me to use it, or associate with it, does it?

So the question still stands, how do you propose to force me to accept it?

(tasty popcorn)

We don't need you to accept it, we simply need to use it and "associate" you with it.

Same way that CRA "associates" you with a SIN.

 

[FreemanMenard]

If they are delivered I would agree but if you pick them up how is that not part of your "job"? I think it a stretch to say getting to a constuction site is not part of the contract to do the job. If you believed in the tax act it would be technically true but since you don't I would say the arrival at the job site is intemately entwined with commerce, unlee you would have gone there regardless of the work you were doing.

I do not get paid for getting to the site. I get paid for the work I do on the site. If I have to get the materials, I get paid for loading and unloading, but not for delivery.

 

[Mojo]

I do not get paid for getting to the site. I get paid for the work I do on the site. If I have to get the materials, I get paid for loading and unloading, but not for delivery.

How does it get there? If you are loading and unloading, how do you get from the loading point to the unloading point?

 

[arayder]

Go ahead, that certainly does not force me to use it, or associate with it, does it?

So the question still stands, how do you propose to force me to accept it?

(tasty popcorn)

“How“, exactly I am not sure. But “when” could well be when you go to use your veteran benefits.

I suspect that somehow you have managed to convince yourself that freeloading off the Canadian tax payer through one of the many programs and benefits available for Canadian veterans doesn’t violate the freeman’s code.

Yeah, I know you have a story. . . .

 

[BobHaulk]

I do not get paid for getting to the site. I get paid for the work I do on the site. If I have to get the materials, I get paid for loading and unloading, but not for delivery.

Do you not find working embarrassing? I know i would. All that getting dirty for a few quid, no thanks. That's what we've got working class people for i suppose. Working class freemen, oh the irony.

 

[FreemanMenard]

If i'm gonna be your pal and help you out with my perspective you've got to do better than this. One could ask that does commerce start when you accept the job and as such leaving the house and travelling to go do said job is surely part of commerce. This is gonna be hard being on your side.

One could argue that it starts as soon as you get up. Fact is though my contracts define the work and what I get paid for, and getting out of bed and to the site is not part of it.

 

[FreemanMenard]

We don't need you to accept it, we simply need to use it and "associate" you with it.

Same way that CRA "associates" you with a SIN.

And just like the CRA, you can't force me to accept it, and it creates no obligations upon me unless I do. Thanks for playing.

 

[Werdum]

I do not get paid for getting to the site. I get paid for the work I do on the site. If I have to get the materials, I get paid for loading and unloading, but not for delivery.

OK, I really don't respect this answer but I accept it as your perspective. I think for a normal person they would see how all these things are entwined and simply accept that to a small degree at least they are using the roads in or for commerce. To me it just goes to show how far you will go into an untenable position to support a rather minor postion. Far more respect would be had if you said, " yes it is but the conveyance used to get me and my material to the job site is registered and insured buy the owner therefore it does not effect my contact."

 

[arayder]

One could argue that it starts as soon as you get up. Fact is though my contracts define the work and what I get paid for, and getting out of bed and to the site is not part of it.

Hardly plausible.

I haven’t seen too many work sites where sooner or later somebody didn’t have to go into town to get something or go back to the shop or another site for tools or supplies.

You would have us believe that you are a viable, employable and valued worker even though for the last several years you have declined to run a single one of these work related errands.

An alternate explanation is that you have a driver’s license an SSI card and everything else you need to function is modern society, but being the manipulative sort you are you tell the rubes that gather at the back of your snake oil wagon that you don’t have any cards or licenses.

Your tall tales are catching up with you again, Bobby boy!

 

[FreemanMenard]

How does it get there? If you are loading and unloading, how do you get from the loading point to the unloading point?

I bring it, or my laborer does. Or it is delivered. How many times do you need this answered? And yes I am using the roads, but not for commerce. That happens when I am off the road. Traveling to a place of business is not engaging on commerce on the road, it is using the road to get to where you do engage in commerce.

 

[BobHaulk]

One could argue that it starts as soon as you get up. Fact is though my contracts define the work and what I get paid for, and getting out of bed and to the site is not part of it.

Not really, you could just not go and stay home and play sitar. When you hit the road to go to the place of your employment you are actively engaged in this, it's not like you're going there for a social visit.

 

[Mojo]

I bring it...

You bring it, you load and unload it, but you don't deliver it.

Riiiiiiight.