Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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Hans said:
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So what makes his ID cards any more useful than something I write by hand on a bit of paper?
For that matter, what makes them any more useful than used toilet paper? Other than the fact they haven't yet been used.
 
TjW said:
So what makes his ID cards any more useful than something I write by hand on a bit of paper?
For that matter, what makes them any more useful than used toilet paper? Other than the fact they haven't yet been used.
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You got me thinking of some vessel id-cards for use in port. They were made by the bridge officers using just a colour printer and a laminating machine.
Port security would let you in on one of those and not always bother to compare with the crew lists of ships in port.
 
TjW said:
So what makes his ID cards any more useful than something I write by hand on a bit of paper?
For that matter, what makes them any more useful than used toilet paper? Other than the fact they haven't yet been used.
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Because they'll cross-their-heart-and-swear-to-die promise that they'll never be used for any fraudulent purpose, honest!
 
Plus, they'll probably be useful for getting onto planes or something; I mean, why wouldn't homemade ID from an obvious nutter be acceptable?
 
Hans said:
I ponder what the heck he is going to do with this charade? I remember this came up before - what was his objective?
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From a recruitment thread he posted recently (http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=11086 Predictably and in line with Paul's observation, the discussion turned to bickering within 2 posts.)

The Canadian Common Corps of Peace Officers does not draw funds from the public purse, and requires donations to get up and running, and fulfill its mandate to hold police accountable to the law.
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I'm not sure how exactly they plan to do that, but it apparently involves decorating their muppetmobile with lettering, flashing lights, etc. Because being a peace officer is just about making an oath, having a badge and a car with flashing lights, right? Let's give these people a conviction that law is only "what they know in their heart" and a gun. How could it go wrong?

All that oath is good for is showing that yes, these morons actually were dumb enough to believe that what they were doing was ok. I wonder how deliberate that is, considering Menard's fascination with mens rea when he discovered and added it to his list of words he can randomly throw around to make it sound like he knows what he's talking about. This is probably just giving him way too much credit though.
 
Boot2TheHead said:
From a recruitment thread he posted recently (http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=11086 Predictably and in line with Paul's observation, the discussion turned to bickering within 2 posts.)



I'm not sure how exactly they plan to do that, but it apparently involves decorating their muppetmobile with lettering, flashing lights, etc. Because being a peace officer is just about making an oath, having a badge and a car with flashing lights, right? Let's give these people a conviction that law is only "what they know in their heart" and a gun. How could it go wrong?

All that oath is good for is showing that yes, these morons actually were dumb enough to believe that what they were doing was ok. I wonder how deliberate that is, considering Menard's fascination with mens rea when he discovered and added it to his list of words he can randomly throw around to make it sound like he knows what he's talking about. This is probably just giving him way too much credit though.
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This "project" has been going on for a couple of years now and seems to be dreadfully behind schedule. In any event, should it ever actually get off the ground, some poor C3PO officer will no doubt learn a very painful lesson about "government" and "monopoly on the legitimate use of force." Sadly, the very same lesson could have been learned by quick reference to a dictionary, encyclopedia, or primary school social studies textbook.
 
Hey Rob can i donate to your truck scam, sorry scheme. I could maybe provide you with an air freshener for the cab, a magic tree perhaps. I'm sure the old smelly truck that you're sleeping in must get a wee bit wiffy and the pleasant smell of an alpine fresh magic tree would help, especially if you manage to lure a young lady back there with the promise of an internal investigation into the loop holes in her defences.
 
And to top it off, they misinterpet NCM - Non-Commissioned Member to mean any member of the CF above the rank of Corporal and above, but below the officer ranks.

In reality, or at least the version subscribed to by the CF - and NCM is any member of the CF who is not an officer (ie. from Private (Recruit) on up to Chief Warrant Officer), while the definition they espouse is that of NCO or Non-Commissioned Officer, or the folks that we expect to show some leadership either by virtue of training or experience.
 
I followed the link and read this:
The Canadian Common Corps of Peace Officers does not draw funds from the public purse, and requires donations to get up and running, and fulfill its mandate to hold police accountable to the law.
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Isn't that at a minimum a recipe for getting arrested for obstructing the police in their enquiries?
 
The Canadian Common Corps of Peace Officers does not draw funds from the public purse, and requires donations to get up and running, and fulfill its mandate to hold police accountable to the law.
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I would think that this explains it. Another fairy tale to draw money out of people.
 
bikerdruid said:
can an atheist be a FOTL?
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From what I have discovered, when pressed into examining their own position, the freeman argument invariably comes back to god. I think it has to be this way because ultimately they don't want to be arguing for simply replacing the current de facto law with freeman law. Because then the same arguments that they have against the current law would apply to their freeman law. So it always has to go back to god as being the source of the true law. And not just the generic concept of god but the specific character described in the Hebrew bible.

The disconnect is that they can work through the argument to this point but you never see freeman theories portrayed as religious beliefs. They would like to portray it as though they have some merit in the de facto legal system, but really it would be no different than the people that have tried to claim they don't have to pay taxes because of their religious belief. Those people were up front about their arguments. The freeman tried to act as though their religious beliefs actually are legal arguments on their own.
 
jargon buster said:
Menards 3CPO recruitment is having teething problems again on WFS, they cant decide how the oath should go :rolleyes:
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=11230
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I wasn't following this but it's wierd to me that they would make an oath that includes promising to enforce the Criminal Code of Canada. CCC is just another man made statute that presumably has no force against anyone not consenting to it. Would that mean that the freeman peace officers will be asking people if they consent to the criminal code before enforcing it against them? I don't want to spend too much time thinking about it but I was surprised to see the CCC pop up in their proposed oath.
 
CCC is just another man made statute that presumably has no force against anyone not consenting to it.
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Not in Rob world
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059070950&postcount=3
Man you are so deluded and obviously clutching at straws. I will try to explain it for you, and must remember to sign in before I come back next time so I can avoid your drivel.

Anyone can be arrested and charged without consent for breaching the peace, or committing acts contrary to the law, as expressed in the Criminal Code.

Acting contrary to a statute however is not a breach of the peace, nor contrary to the Criminal Code, and does in fact require one to first consent to the Act, before being enforced.

The criminal code refers to anyone who, and thus includes everyone, even Freemen. Acts and statues refer to 'any person who' and not 'anyone who' thus is limited to those who have consented to government services and burdens.

Your inability and refusal to even look at the most basic of things, and refusal to distinguish between concepts is your loss. Your belief that you have won due only to your continued ignorance is laughable.

The end result will be me enforcing the Criminal Code on existing police officers. Or do you think I am going to back down due to your lack of logic?
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jargon buster said:
Menard is promising things again over on WFS, hes talking about his Peace Officer recruitment.

http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=11230

I predict the information will be provided on the 12th of never.:rolleyes:
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Oh ye of little faith. He's obviously got a massive force ready to go. Otherwise, why would have said this in July of last year:

Say all you want here. Over the next month I am hiring thousands of peace officers.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1059074745&postcount=75
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A freeman wouldn't lie, being all about honour and such. So this must be true!

Maybe the laminating machine broke and he hasn't managed to get all their ID badges done yet.
 
The end result will be me enforcing the Criminal Code on existing police officers
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Well that will generate the court case we've been insisting he provide........

Question for our lawyer types; what type of penalty would there be for illegally 'arresting' a police officer to stop them from performing their duties?
 
Hans said:
Well that will generate the court case we've been insisting he provide........

Question for our lawyer types; what type of penalty would there be for illegally 'arresting' a police officer to stop them from performing their duties?
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Offences relating to public or peace officer
129. Every one who
(a) resists or wilfully obstructs a public officer or peace officer in the execution of his duty or any person lawfully acting in aid of such an officer,
(b) omits, without reasonable excuse, to assist a public officer or peace officer in the execution of his duty in arresting a person or in preserving the peace, after having reasonable notice that he is required to do so, or
(c) resists or wilfully obstructs any person in the lawful execution of a process against lands or goods or in making a lawful distress or seizure,
is guilty of
(d) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or
(e) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

http://canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-c-46/latest/rsc-1985-c-c-46.html#sec129

Personating peace officer
130. (1) Everyone commits an offence who
(a) falsely represents himself to be a peace officer or a public officer; or
(b) not being a peace officer or public officer, uses a badge or article of uniform or equipment in a manner that is likely to cause persons to believe that he is a peace officer or a public officer, as the case may be.
Punishment
(2) Everyone who commits an offence under subsection (1)
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.


http://canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-c-46/latest/rsc-1985-c-c-46.html#sec130subsec1
 
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