Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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jargon buster said:
I suppose if you had started the conversation with "I am not a person, I do not wish to contract with you", things would have gone a lot smoother and they would have had to go away with a "flea in their ear".

JB
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Unless they didn't contract to take the flea then I suppose you would have to release the flea and let it become a Fleaman on the Land
 
jargon buster said:
Everytime I have had a brush with the law I was doing something I shouldnt.
I have never been stopped by the police when I was simply going about my business.

JB
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As an addendum to this, where is this oppressive state we live in?

I have been stopped by the police a few times doing things i shouldn't, and even then they were understanding enough to realize i wasn't doing any harm and send me on my way. Want to know why?

Because i was honest and polite to them ( even when blinding drunk). I knew i was caught, i knew i didn't have a record of any form, and i knew that unless i was dealing with the cop from Desperation i would be fine. If i had started rambling about rights given to me by god and whatnot, i would have probably been put in jail quickly.

The only time a non corrupt cop ( and yes there are still a few corrupt ones out there) will hassle you is when your doing something illegal. And even then as long as its nothing harmful, more than likely one will not get incarcerated.

I mean for the love of crap menard. We both live in canada, tell me you think you ( well maybe not you specifically, if i was a cop i would bust you for jaywalking out of principal. ) couldn't walk down the street smoking a joint, if the mood hit you without fear of being imprisoned. Where is this totalitarian state? I cannot think of anything that i actually want to do, that would likely get me arrested.
 
He claimed to me he charges $25 an hour to clean out septic tanks, more if he doesn't like you. Now if you could lay your hands on a cool $8 million would you be dealing with the waste products of others? With this one statement over on ickes site he's proven himself to be a con man. Though he's just responded by telling me the bond might not be worth $8million but a sum of money and if he claimed it he wouldn't hold the stock anymore???????? even though he gets none of the profits made on his bond and it helps the government keep us slaves (like he thinks we're all Ivan Denisovich or something). I wonder if he claimed his bond,received the money he'd disappear into a quantum universe full of freemen cleaning up each others ****.

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couldn't walk down the street smoking a joint
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If you did that in Denmark you would risk having it confiscated and stepped on.
Complaining about it could get you a fine or worse.
 
sadhatter said:
As an addendum to this, where is this oppressive state we live in?
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I think the oppressive state that FOTLers live in comes from the fact that they are not allowed to do whatever they feel are their freedoms, you know stuff like not having a drivers license, insurance, MOT, being able to grow their own weed, welching on mortgages and loans and whatever the hell else they feel like doing without someone from the gov't saying "Hang on a minute, you can't do that, we have laws you know."
 
I posted this in the freeman thread but I think it belongs here in Robs personal thread.
Lets see what Rob makes of this
http://freemantruthmovement.blogspot.com/

JB
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JB
PS if anyone is a member on Ickes or WFS please make him aware of this please.

PPS I am thinking of creating a WIKI page on Rob singing his praises about him not having to consent to any statutes, it may just raise his profile enough for the authourities to start paying him a bit of attention.
 
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Menards feathers are ruffled, he has now banned me from posting comments on his Youtube videos.

I would post a screenshot but cant post photos

JB
 
Menards spouting nonsense again on Ickes

This time its about the "colour of right"
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114830&page=2
To a degree this is true and is called colour of right. However trying to extend it to that which is clearly harmful gets you labeled as insane. You will not be held criminally liable if it is in fact true, that you believe in your heart that say, Aliens from Gamma Centuri told you to kill your neighbour's dog. That does not mean however that you get off scott free. You will be seen as a danger and dealt with by being locked up, pending successful treatment/

Applying color of right properly requires one to truly be following their conscience or faith, and to act in a reasonable and moral manner. (Believe it or not, one can do this whilst acting seemingly contrary to local ordinances and statues. ) Using a claim of right develops a very powerful color of right, one so strong it is in fact indistinguishable from an actual right.
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reasonably and morally not following the rule of law.
Brilliant, and he thinks that will wash in court.

And on the "bond"
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119413
When I first came to this information, among the issues I had to face was if I should tell people. I had doubts, not only cause I knew they would think me crazy, but also because of the inherent danger which you describe. I likened it to teaching a five year old how to take the safety off a gun without first teaching them the dangers and associated responsibilities.

I realized however, withholding the information was a judgment on my part, after all, who was I to determine who should and shouldn't have this information? How could I in good conscience limit it to those who I feel are worthy? I could not. Yet I still was unsure about releasing it to those who would abuse this remedy, and in so doing deny it to future generations.

What has developed is a process where the information comes with a cost. And that cost is greater knowledge of self. Many I have found who simply don't get it, are those who refuse to see themselves as anything save a consumer/citizen involved in a magical race to collect things that rust. And woe to you if they feel they are winning this race and you chose to no longer play.

Those who have rejected their own divine nature hate it when you later accept your own.
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So he has the divine right to share this information with whom he feels will use it wisely.
Ahhhh so thats why he wont share his proof (Not even in his paper package for $250)

it beggars belief :rolleyes:

JB
 
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tsig said:
Rob reveals the source of his inspiration:

yesterday, I spent two hours with a guy and he bought a jug of beer in exchange.
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Come on, they were just talking. :D
 
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talkie toaster said:
I think the oppressive state that FOTLers live in comes from the fact that they are not allowed to do whatever they feel are their freedoms, you know stuff like not having a drivers license, insurance, MOT, being able to grow their own weed, welching on mortgages and loans and whatever the hell else they feel like doing without someone from the gov't saying "Hang on a minute, you can't do that, we have laws you know."
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And that kills me because i would never want to do most of those things, and for good reason.

I mean my drivers license and the appropriate tests let me know i am a fairly safe driver. And let me to some extent prove that to others. Without it any idiot would be driving, and a car is a big dangerous weapon when used improperly. I respect others right to safety enough that i can say " good idea" to drivers license , insurance, etc.

Growing weed, yeah i would like to be able to. But would i give up all the things my government gives me ( roads, health care, etc) just so i can? No, not really, i like being able to be healthy and not have to drive on dirt more than getting high thanks.

And i mean the rest is all the same. Ways to get out of agreements you made. I would not want to do this. I mean sure if people just started to give me free crap i would be a fan. But to try and weasel out of debts, to anyone? That is just being a bad person. But fotl'ers think its okay, because they are usually screwing over a big company with this type of action. And as we all know big companies deserve no rights whatsoever.

What kills me is how they think it is okay to follow no rules they don't want to that are set by the government, but they also have no problem taking advantage of the services the government provides.

If they truly want to be free of government they should not use roads, accept police help, medical care ( not payed for by themselves. ) or any other of the services us poor slaves take for granted. And should they want to use these services they should be on a per use basis decided that day by an elected representative of the government. See how long someone is a freeman when trapped in a burning car and the fire department says " well, would love to help you sir, but our fee schedule is 1000 per 15 minutes we spend rescuing you. Do you have that on you? We can wait for someone to bring it if you want, but that is 500 per hour. "
 
jargon buster wrote:


Lets see what Rob makes of this
http://freemantruthmovement.blogspot.com/

JB
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You should be OK.
Menard has always said that statutes are not law and you may withdraw your consent at any time. In fact I am sure Menard would be the first to assist you to defend any action he himself may bring to ensure you're god given rights are not infringed.
 
Im begining to think it is clownish conman after all.
He posts this on Ickes
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119454
Poor asky/jb, can't even say who he is. It is like someone with really bad breath, hiding behind a mask. Your mask does not hide your stink.
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Then goes on my blog and posts this "anonymously":D
http://freemantruthmovement.blogspot.com/2010/06/freeman-movement-officially-dead-in.html
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Wow, the World Freeman Society is actually growing very quickly, averaging 75 posts a day, with ten new topics a day started, and almost 5000 members. That is based on the last month, and according to stats shown me by the admin. Does not sound dead in the water to me.

Me thinks JB, like others in the government, (You are in the government right? You have NEVER denied that...) want people to think it is dead in the water, so they can continue stealing from others, just he has admittedly done with the WFS logo.

This JB/Asky guy is the hero for the Pay and Obey crowd, and he is an admitted thief who lacks honour and refuses to idnetify himself or deny his role as a government shill.

See how fearful the government REALLY is of the Freeman Movement? If they were not they would not hire shills like JB to start blogs such as these.

We see your fear JB and we know it is because the Freeman movement is the truth you have been hiding.
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Its like shooting fish in a barrel :)

JB
 
It would also appear that Menard is controlling what gets posted on David Ickes site.
poster brianthebrain has just pointed out Menards postings on my blog and his post has been instantly removed.
I feel a blog post coming :D

JB
 
My English spelling sucks, which is why I have eventually figured out how to get a spelling checker added to firefox.

Somehow I am not impressed by 5000 members writing 75 posts a day.
And the idea of ones arguments being judged on whether you give your real name or not is rather silly.
(Sure, it is useful to know peoples cultural and language background)
 
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