Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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He will continue to deflect and keep refering back to consent.
Hes been gnawing at the same bone for months.

Im sick of answering his questions with him coming back with daft anecdotes and lies.
He knows his empire is crumbling and hes running scared.
If he had any belief in his nonsense he would be driving around in his uninsured automoblie (he doesnt even drive legally because he is an alcoholic)

JB
 
He will continue to deflect and keep refering back to consent.
Hes been gnawing at the same bone for months.

Yes. Menard's answers are more interesting for what they avoid than for what they actually say. He'll happily skid around any sort of a direct question on two wheels, because other than some random philosophical musings that have no legal meaning and a substantially negative legal effect (if anyone is fool enough to present them in a court), he's got nothing.

And I believe he knows it, but takes money for teaching these musings, which puts him into the "con man" category.
 
Tsk, tsk Menard

By the way you didn't explain how and why you didn't tell the court in BC where you were born.

Another question could you point to the part of the Police manuals that covers 'Freeman-of-the-land, obviously if the police are going to accept that concept they must be trained in it. Where are the laws out lining it?

JB,this tactic by Menar use to be called the Psi slide. People who claimed to have pyschic powers would always state they wouldn't use their 'gifts' to enrich themselves - of course they would never consider doing it to just prove they have the 'power'.

So Menard shouldn't you want to obtain this free money just to show people that this really exists? Or do you realize its all a pipe dream?

Hey how about this...you claim your money, show everyone how you did it THEN give it back to the evil gub'mint. That should show them right?

Well we both know you won't do that now don't we? LOL

----on consent, you can always renounce your citizenship, the procedure is well known and fully accepted. The problem is you are then stateless or more correctly a freeman, truly. So how come you don't renounce your citizenship?

By the way Menard why do you take stuff from other website and not cite them as the source - is being intellectually dishonest just a thing that you have?
 
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Fallacy: False Dilemma

Also Known as: Black & White Thinking.
Description of False Dilemma

A False Dilemma is a fallacy in which a person uses the following pattern of "reasoning":

1. Either claim X is true or claim Y is true (when X and Y could both be false).
2. Claim Y is false.
3. Therefore claim X is true.

This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because if both claims could be false, then it cannot be inferred that one is true because the other is false. That this is the case is made clear by the following example:

1. Either 1+1=4 or 1+1=12.
2. It is not the case that 1+1=4.
3. Therefore 1+1=12.

In cases in which the two options are, in fact, the only two options, this line of reasoning is not fallacious. For example:

1. Bill is dead or he is alive.
2. Bill is not dead.
3. Therefore Bill is alive.

Examples of False Dilemma

1. Senator Jill: "We'll have to cut education funding this year."
Senator Bill: "Why?"
Senator Jill: "Well, either we cut the social programs or we live with a huge deficit and we can't live with the deficit."

2. Bill: "Jill and I both support having prayer in public schools."
Jill: "Hey, I never said that!"
Bill: "You're not an atheist are you Jill?"

3. "Look, you are going to have to make up your mind. Either you decide that you can afford this stereo, or you decide you are going to do without music for a while."


To answer your question JB, I do not do so because it is not my dream or goal. Pretty easy. You diod not think you would score any points with that did you? Will you answer mine now?

Seeing as how the rule of law states that equality is paramount, and the entire foundation of the Freeman movement is equality, and not birth securities, do you claim that we are not equal and thus consent is not required to be governed by others cause they are better then us, or do you accept we are equal in the eyes of the law, and thus no one can govern another without mutual consent?

Equality requires consent to govern. If consent is not required, then there is no equality. If there is equality, we can deny or revoke consent to be governed, and since we are equal you can't stop me. So that is where we are at. I believe in equality and thus can see the logical outcome of denying consent. You say we can't deny consent.

So JB here is your question:
Do you agree all people are equal before the eyes of the law?

(Please do not do your asky avoidance dance and give run around about how you are in England and I am in Canada. For the purpose of this question, I refer to myself and anyone else in Canada.)

If you say yes, then it is implied that consent is required for one who is equal with another to govern. If you say no, you publicly abandon the rule of law and any and all claims of logic or reason.

I do appreciate you putting my name out there like this. I know I hit the big time cause I have my own hate-fans! And hey, lets see what the Bible has to say about what you are doing>..


Satan tries a third time. He brought Jesus to Jerusalem and took him up to the highest part of the temple and told him to jump off. He said that angels would come and lift him up so that he wouldn't be hurt.

The devil even starts quoting scripture now. He quoted from Psalm 91, "For He shall give His angels charge over you to keep you in all your ways. In their hands they shall bear you up, lest you dash your foot against a stone." (Satan left out the part about 'to keep you in all your ways'.)

Jesus answered him, "It has been said, 'You shall not tempt the Lord your God'."


See yourself here JB?

If Jesus could deal with the ultimate of deceivers, I think I can deal with a fool like you.

So why do you hate the rule of law JB? Why do you hate equality? Why you such a hater? At least you found some folks who share your aversion for thinking and reasoning.

PS- You cannot be for equality and deny people the ability to say no to another who wishes to govern them.







Speaking with this crowd is like trying to play chess with someone who insists on checkers. And they want to eat them....

I thought being a freeman meant you didn't have to follow the law.

How's being a Peace Officer working out for you Rob?
 
"I could do it if I want to...I just don't want to."

I used that a lot.

When I was 9.
 
Equality requires consent to govern. If consent is not required, then there is no equality. If there is equality, we can deny or revoke consent to be governed, and since we are equal you can't stop me.
This does not make sense. In fact, the reverse is true.

If people can either deny or revoke consent to be governed, then you have two types of unequal people:

1. The Governed
2. The Ungoverned

Therefore, if consent to be governed is required, there is no equality.

The only way to achieve equality is to either have all people be Governed or have all people be Ungoverned.

The ONLY way to NOT have equality is to introduce a condition (such as consent) so that the people are not equal (some Governed and some Ungoverned).

Equality requires NO consent to govern. If consent is NOT required, then there is equality. If there is equality, we can NOT deny or revoke consent to be governed.

It is simple logic. You can only have equality (all Governed or all Ungoverned) if the people are all (unconditionally) either Governed or Ungoverned.
 
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Looks like Rob is getting even closer to the edge of insanity. I had always debated how sane Rob was - after all, he could just be your average con man looking to take advantage of a population that will buy absolutely anything (the woos). However, as his posting shows, hes becoming even more hysterical as time goes on.

By the way Rob, no one hates you. We do hate what you stand for: promoting ignorance about the law and selling legal woo that actually harms people when they follow it. True, they have to be pretty stupid to fall for paying you money for legal methods that have a 100% failure rate and result in more severe action than what would have otherwise happened. But still, you are preying on the gullible. You are an emissary for everything that is wrong with woos, and a living embodiment as the answer to the question "What harm does it cause to believe in woo?"
 
Looks like Rob is getting even closer to the edge of insanity. I had always debated how sane Rob was - after all, he could just be your average con man looking to take advantage of a population that will buy absolutely anything (the woos). However, as his posting shows, hes becoming even more hysterical as time goes on.

By the way Rob, no one hates you. We do hate what you stand for: promoting ignorance about the law and selling legal woo that actually harms people when they follow it. True, they have to be pretty stupid to fall for paying you money for legal methods that have a 100% failure rate and result in more severe action than what would have otherwise happened. But still, you are preying on the gullible. You are an emissary for everything that is wrong with woos, and a living embodiment as the answer to the question "What harm does it cause to believe in woo?"
Totally correct, the very essence of the problem with Rob,peace be upon him, Manard
Jump over to the Icke site and read some of the disturbing talk about people registering their children. Not very bright people harming the best interests of their children by believing in manards scam. It's disgusting but on the other hand hilarious.
 
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An example of how deluded and brainwashed his minions are can be found here
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=5855
Menard is castigating a lawyer when someone chips in with this gem
As annoying as this guy's opinion is,it is just that,an opinion.I missed where he had shown any proof to back up his claims.However we know what you bring to the table Rob,

Can someone please explain what Menard actually brings to the table apart from his opinion.:D

JB
 
The corporate control of lives from cradle to grave. Courtesy of the feudal dynasties, the bloodlines, the fraternities and the usual occultist mumbo jumbo.
 
The corporate control of lives from cradle to grave. Courtesy of the feudal dynasties, the bloodlines, the fraternities and the usual occultist mumbo jumbo.

Is that supposed to mean something? Have you been at the sauce again?
 
The corporate control of lives from cradle to grave. Courtesy of the feudal dynasties, the bloodlines, the fraternities and the usual occultist mumbo jumbo.

I know it's awful,registered midwives and paediatricians who need qualifications to practise, state of the art infant and neonatal care and free at source, depending on where you live,state funded nursery places to allow parents to return to work and laws to provide a free statuary education for all children.

Cleaner rivers and beaches due to nasty environmental pollution laws, cleaner safe water supplies, nasty statuary factory laws making work places safer, laws to limit age of children who can work,aaaahhh, remember the good old days of 5 year olds in the mills and scratching about with their dads down the pit in the pitch black.

Social care that provides some help should you too old or disabled to work.

The list of control goes on and on, oh to be free!!

Free to not pay tax, to be able to run a 15 year old car, with dodgy brakes and corroded sills on untaxed roads and drive at what the hell speed I want whilst being drunk. so long as I cuase no harm or loss to anyone.

Oh and the big one, free to buy a house or get a loan in money I don't believe in and then try and welch out of it when I can't pay it back in the hope of scoring a free house.
 
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These freemen and women on the landers remind of certain people I knew in the 60's who had "dropped out of the system,man".They all drew unemployment benefit or social security,they didn't disagree with that part of the system.Freeloaders on the land are scroungers too.
 
Menard appears to be a con man who may have made the most amusing mistake - he appears to actually think some of his nonsense works.
 
I don't really think there is a world freeman society, even the folk who believe the freeman guff don't really, they like the idea but in their hearts the know it's rubbish and they definitely won't spend $250 on it.

It appears that some do send the WFS money.
majicdragon started a thread on Icke's claiming (mistakenly apparently) that his/her posts on WFS forum had been removed. In the OP majicdragon says:

to my buds at the wfs: if you want me to leave... if i am i going down a path you disapprove of... ?.. if so just say... just tell me... i'll go. i won't ask for any money back... i'll just go. but please explain you position.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116441
 
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