Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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Rob seems to have addressed the issue, its a classic,
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059650427&postcount=13
Agreed. But one mans abuse of drugs and drink is another man's Friday night.

We will also have peace officers. And if needed, we can still call on the police to enforce the criminal code, though they will find it very difficult to enforce ******** statutes, regulations or bylaws. For the most part though, domestic issues can be settled with friends acting as a sounding board and if needed arbitration.

He can still call the police but they will find it "difficult" to enforce statute???, surely he means they will find it "impossible" to enforce statute.
If they were a little sovereign community then the police would have no jurisdiction, so would be useless anyway.
And by calling the police is he simply saying that they need the "nanny state" to look after them?


Does he ever think any of this through???
Its noted that he avoided the "taking advantage of children" reference. ;)
 
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beaten to it by JB


Rob's complete failure to properly address the issues of drug and alcohol abuse, violence and, pointedly, child abuse is as telling as his pathetic attempt to laugh it off.

If the 'Friday night' and "domestic issues" get out of hand they will fix it all with a little chat, which I mentioned 2 days ago, or they will call the real police who "will find it very difficult to enforce ******** statutes, regulations or bylaws".


Also, FMOTland seems to be getting awful crowded with officialdom; those peace officers, also mentioned in jest 2 days ago, will surely require steward status.
 
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Rob seems to have addressed the issue, its a classic,
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059650427&postcount=13


He can still call the police but they will find it "difficult" to enforce statute???, surely he means they will find it "impossible" to enforce statute.
If they were a little sovereign community then the police would have no jurisdiction, so would be useless anyway.
And by calling the police is he simply saying that they need the "nanny state" to look after them?


Does he ever think any of this through???
Its noted that he avoided the "taking advantage of children" reference. ;)

Does this mean they'll be paying their taxes? Police services are, after all, funded that way.
 
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We will also have peace officers. And if needed, we can still call on the police to enforce the criminal code, though they will find it very difficult to enforce ******** statutes, regulations or bylaws.
Oh dear. Once again, statutes don't apply except for when they do (e.g. the Criminal Code - or, more accurately, the parts of it that they like). I'm sure that will work just as planned. :rolleyes:

Is anybody really taken in by this garbage? Maybe Bones or some of the other Icke kids can come to Ontario and shoot some squirrels or something. Rob can pay them with beer and bongs.
 
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Oh dear. Once again, statutes don't apply except for when they do (e.g. the Criminal Code - or, more accurately, the parts of it that they like). I'm sure that will work just as planned. :rolleyes:

Is anybody really taken in by this garbage? Maybe Bones or some of the other Icke kids can come to Ontario and shoot some squirrels or something. Rob can pay them with beer and bongs.

....or bread. Bread appears to be the medium of exchange in Freemen Valley Mark 2, at least during the intial stages.

The Criminal Code/Police assistance bit is SO funny! Rob's clearly a contortionist with a high pain threshold as he has this unique ability to continually kick himself in the nuts.
 
....or bread. Bread appears to be the medium of exchange in Freemen Valley Mark 2, at least during the intial stages.

There's also the priceless value of Rob's wisdom, which the lucky sods will get on a daily basis.

The Criminal Code/Police assistance bit is SO funny! Rob's clearly a contortionist with a high pain threshold as he has this unique ability to continually kick himself in the nuts.

I wonder who they'll call to dig them out of the snow after the first Eastern Ontario blizzard?
 
I wonder who they'll call to dig them out of the snow after the first Eastern Ontario blizzard?
Rob's permanently drunk and stoned serf army of course, they probably wouldn't even notice the cold until it was too late.
 
Rob's permanently drunk and stoned serf army of course, they probably wouldn't even notice the cold until it was too late.
That's the best part of the feudal system...you can always get more serfs!
 
That's the best part of the feudal system...you can always get more serfs!

Do you think Lord Rob will assert 'droit de seigneur' over the comely wenches who enter his 'fiefdom'?

Stupid question. Of course he will :D
 
Do you think Lord Rob will assert 'droit de seigneur' over the comely wenches who enter his 'fiefdom'?

Stupid question. Of course he will :D
Naturally. Especially if they're underage and fertile. :eek:
 
Looks like Rob's been dipping into this thread again and he still doesn't appreciate the irony of his remarks. Brilliant! :D

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059650681&postcount=14

Incidentally, if anyone wishes to denigrate these peaceful resolution mechanisms, I would point out this is simply how adults settle issues, and they are routinely used now. Friends of mine were having marital problems and the community helped them out. People who think that the state is needed are burdened with a childish mindset, and remedy has to be imposed by some authority figure, for they are incapable of imagining settling issues using discussion or negotiation.

And yes, we have the right to call the police and force them to fulfill their peace officer duties. We also have the power to refuse to be subject to the policies they enforce in their other role. I kept an after hours club open for six months. Stood my ground, established their bylaws and statutes were not applicable, respected them for their peace officer roles, and invited them to attend anytime they wishes, provided they left their policy enforcement hat in the car and wore only their peace officer hat. They ended up coming by once or twice a night, they would do a walk through while people were smoking pot, drinking and we were selling beer, dancing the night away. But because they were only peace officers, all they did was keep the peace. They pointed out a few times known gang members and trouble makers. People thought I was paying off the police! All I did was force them to do their peace officer job while realizing the limits of their policy enforcement powers. Same thing can be done with a plot of land.

Of course those who are for what ever reason incapable of distinguishing between policy and law, will claim that by accepting the power of the police to enforce the law against murder, that we are also bound by the statutes against growing certain plants.

They will also likely try claiming that the potential is the same as the actual, and we need have in place something to address THEIR FEARS of a POTENTIAL. Take the post above made by our newest member sunandmoon. I can't be bothered to try guessing which one that is.



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As a parent and as one with experience of the very negative effects (on others including children) of drink and drug abuse I think anyone with a history of drink/drug abuse or, as well, violence or taking advantage of children should not be selected as a Stewart.

Here we have the fear based mindset clearly screaming for security and protection from that which does not exist but may. It is also an obvious poke. Would these same standards be applied to people moving into other communities? Their relationship with what they put in their own bodies will not be a factor. I am hoping to attract healthy people though, and establish a healing centre. The people I am meeting are all very aware with many restricting their diets to organic vegetables and wild fish. There is a growing concern about what we eat, with many forgoing fast food entirely. These are not just hippies either. Instead of restricting it to people who consider themselves to be perfect, or who have 'no history' (which often just shows an ability to hide) we would embrace people as they are, and help them overcome their burdens, and learn and grow.

See, to some people, the potential itself is sufficient to demand restrictions and control. I know people who have a history of drug and alcohol abuse and who have over come it. I know very few here in Canada who do not drink socially. Many drink quite a bit. In some places it is a pass time. In others marijuana use is the norm. These are some of the most peaceful, creative and happy communities.

As to the taking advantage of children, well I do not know anyone who does that, and it is like saying accept no one who kicks puppies daily. It is simply obvious, and likely a very stupid statement designed to try and poke.


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The mainstream community is flawed but I know I can call the police if there is domestic violence and, in my experience, they have come and sorted things out. This won't be the case in the community though, will it, because that will go against the Freeman ideology?

In our community we can also call our police, they will be peace officers and also our neighbours. Is there something wrong with being neighbours with a peace officer? Plus in our community, all are sworn peace officers, and less likely to engage in conflict.

And calling for the help of a sworn peace officer does not in anyway go against the Freeman ideology, and is labeled here by this newest member, apparently with enormous confidence, and with intent to limit the actions of Freemen. Who says we as Freemen can't call a peace officer for help? When they come and provide their services, they are free to present a bill.

No on to the topic at hand.

I have secured enormous interest in this and heard from a medically trained family man with a fully equipped EMR he wants to bring to the community! WOOT WOOT! We also have the first family likely identified. He is a master carpenter and she is a mom and baker.

The decision process we are looking at is consensual, so those two families will help decide who is next chosen. Then the the three families will decide and so on until the parcels are taken.

I have also been looking at existing leasehold agreements, and think that will be a lot easier then we first thought, as people have already done very similar stuff. We will likely hire a lawyer to draft one up. We will do this as a group so everyone is happy, protected and confident their energies are not lost.


Hope you all have a good day! I did a show last night in Moncton and had an awesome turnout and great show! Freemanery is getting huge here....

At least he's found someone to make all that bread. There is going to be a run on that currency.

Nice to know that he is still relying on the law as well, when it comes to the leases anyway. Still, I'm not surprised that he would want his own interests to be legally watertight.
 
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it would appear he has chosen to respond on Ickes rather than here
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059650681&postcount=14
As to the taking advantage of children, well I do not know anyone who does that
thats well worded isn't it?

And yes, we have the right to call the police and force them to fulfill their peace officer duties. We also have the power to refuse to be subject to the policies they enforce in their other role. I kept an after hours club open for six months. Stood my ground, established their bylaws and statutes were not applicable, respected them for their peace officer roles, and invited them to attend anytime they wishes, provided they left their policy enforcement hat in the car and wore only their peace officer hat. They ended up coming by once or twice a night, they would do a walk through while people were smoking pot, drinking and we were selling beer, dancing the night away. But because they were only peace officers, all they did was keep the peace. They pointed out a few times known gang members and trouble makers. People thought I was paying off the police! All I did was force them to do their peace officer job while realizing the limits of their policy enforcement powers. Same thing can be done with a plot of land.
Yet not one person can verify this story for him.

In our community we can also call our police, they will be peace officers and also our neighbours. Is there something wrong with being neighbours with a peace officer? Plus in our community, all are sworn peace officers, and less likely to engage in conflict.
TALK ABOUT SKEWED LOGIC??
We can call the police, but everyone is a peace officer????
how on earth would that work?

And yes, we have the right to call the police and force them to fulfill their peace officer duties.
Force them, by who's authourity?
 
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Well, Rob can and that is all that matter to him. Some are more equal than others and all that.

As I mentioned at 795, in fairness to Rob he's quite transparent about the fact that him and his cronies will get preferential treatment.

A few days ago I was optimistic that the silence on the Icke thread meant that the dribblers had finally woken up to Rob's antics. However, some of the usual suspects have started falling into line. They still haven't managed to get those neurons firing after all.

This could turn into a terrific allegory.

Can we say messiah complex:

I am 'starting a fire' in peoples hearts and minds. In their fear based effort to put out the fire, they piss on me, while the fire gets bigger and hotter. They can piss on me all they want, the fire still grows, and warms me, and is lighting the world.


Yes, I know you could.
 
What is Menard and his gang going to do about a sewerage system?
A bucket and chuck it?
 
Can we say messiah complex:

I am 'starting a fire' in peoples hearts and minds. In their fear based effort to put out the fire, they piss on me, while the fire gets bigger and hotter. They can piss on me all they want, the fire still grows, and warms me, and is lighting the world.


Yes, I know you could.

"I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."
 
What is Menard and his gang going to do about a sewerage system?
A bucket and chuck it?

Flipping heck, he's answered already and only used the "children" word twice:

So you know, this idea will not be suitable for those who cannot wipe their own arse, or otherwise deal with their own sewage, without flushing it ignorantly down the tubes, for someone else to deal with. This is not for children.

We will use high tech composting toilets, grey water for gardens, black for decomposition. It is all being done now in many earthships and cabins and homes. Is nothing special, it just asks you take responsibility for your own ****, instead of flushing it and asking someone else to deal with it, cause that mindset is for the children....

You know who you are!

Hello Rob:p
 
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O my gosh, is he reading this forum again?! O Rob, you are a naughty one aren't you?!

PS - I can't wipe my own, could you do it for me?!

:D
 
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It's almost as if Rob has half-watched a documentary on sustainable living and only really seen the "five years later" section at the end where everyone is living comfortably in landscaped grounds, with mature reed bed filters and established vegetable gardens to go with their solar cells, windmills and heat exchangers.
 
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