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> And for the kracking crass jokes. Only for july 9th and 10th. And even these will be jokeless, I'm afraid.
Actually, since you took the time to check my claim. It was way more "involved" than that, just to point out an aspect relating to those kinds of incidents. Erdogan (who benefits greatly from NATO) had to ask other European countries to say/do something about Macron's comments and of course, when you here the president of France openly talking like that about "freedom loving" there is way more to it than just a few comments.

> Why do you have to call us anything? If you must, then what's wrong with calling us 'people' or 'fellow forum members'?
I can't quite understand why you find so, but so offensive when I call certain kind of people spousing certain kind of mindset "gringos" when they themselves call anything hopeslessly morally stupid "un-Amerikan" aren't they the ones making fun of themselves?
Also, you have your own president calling a people "a bunch of rapists" and all kinds of colorful derogatory terms why is it that people can't call gringos "gringos"? I mean I personally find that term benign. Is this why USG has been assassinating children and their grandmas? just for calling them "gringos"?

> The one below is about monitoring anti-semitism.
and "monitoring" anti-semitism (among many other things) would be standing against an illegal occupation and subjugation of a people?

> You're stereotyping an entire racial/ethnic group.
Actually, I am not. Whatever I say I back with factual information. Racism is what the Monroe Doctrine is based on and how USG abusively treat every Latin American country, not my comments about it.
 
> And for the kracking crass jokes. Only for july 9th and 10th. And even these will be jokeless, I'm afraid.
Actually, since you took the time to check my claim. It was way more "involved" than that, just to point out an aspect relating to those kinds of incidents. Erdogan (who benefits greatly from NATO) had to ask other European countries to say/do something about Macron's comments and of course, when you here the president of France openly talking like that about "freedom loving" there is way more to it than just a few comments.

> Why do you have to call us anything? If you must, then what's wrong with calling us 'people' or 'fellow forum members'?
I can't quite understand why you find so, but so offensive when I call certain kind of people spousing certain kind of mindset "gringos" when they themselves call anything hopeslessly morally stupid "un-Amerikan" aren't they the ones making fun of themselves?
Also, you have your own president calling a people "a bunch of rapists" and all kinds of colorful derogatory terms why is it that people can't call gringos "gringos"? I mean I personally find that term benign. Is this why USG has been assassinating children and their grandmas? just for calling them "gringos"?

> The one below is about monitoring anti-semitism.
and "monitoring" anti-semitism (among many other things) would be standing against an illegal occupation and subjugation of a people?

> You're stereotyping an entire racial/ethnic group.
Actually, I am not. Whatever I say I back with factual information. Racism is what the Monroe Doctrine is based on and how USG abusively treat every Latin American country, not my comments about it.
 
rlopez2 said:
> You're stereotyping an entire racial/ethnic group.
Actually, I am not. Whatever I say I back with factual information.
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You understand that population statistics tell you nothing about individuals, right? Even if, say, you have 'factual information' that 80% of white people are racists, assuming every white person you encounter was racist would still be wrong. The person you're denigrating could be one of the 20%. That's why stereotyping (which is certainly what you're doing) is a bad idea.

And for goodness sake learn how to use the quote function. Nobody's going to take your ramblings seriously if you can't even figure that out.
 
rlopez2 said:
> Why do you have to call us anything? If you must, then what's wrong with calling us 'people' or 'fellow forum members'?
I can't quite understand why you find so,
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Because that's what the word means. You're not disagreeing with me: you're disagreeing with the dictionary.

rlopez2 said:
but so offensive when I call certain kind of people spousing certain kind of mindset "gringos"
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You aren't doing that. You are calling anyone who isn't you a gringo, and it is still offensive.

rlopez2 said:
when they themselves call anything hopeslessly morally stupid "un-Amerikan" aren't they the ones making fun of themselves?
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"They" being who exactly? You call everyone gringos, and most of us are not American. Or white.

rlopez2 said:
Also, you have your own president calling a people "a bunch of rapists" and all kinds of colorful derogatory terms why is it that people can't call gringos "gringos"?
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No, I do not. My country does not have a president.
And you shouldn't call people 'gringos' because it's offensive.

rlopez2 said:
I mean I personally find that term benign.
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Which puts you in a minority of one. Again.

rlopez2 said:
Is this why USG has been assassinating children and their grandmas? just for calling them "gringos"?
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Without specific examples, I can't really comment, but I seriously doubt that. Can you cite an example of children and their grandmothers being assassinated by the US government because they called them gringos, or is this just pointless and stupid bloviating?

rlopez2 said:
> The one below is about monitoring anti-semitism.
and "monitoring" anti-semitism (among many other things) would be standing against an illegal occupation and subjugation of a people?
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No, it wouldn't. Try looking up the actual definition of what constitutes anti-semitism before you embarrass yourself any further.

rlopez2 said:
> You're stereotyping an entire racial/ethnic group.
Actually, I am not. Whatever I say I back with factual information. Racism is what the Monroe Doctrine is based on and how USG abusively treat every Latin American country, not my comments about it.
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The Monroe Doctrine:
The occasion has been judged proper for asserting, as a principle in which the rights and interests of the United States are involved, that the American continents, by the free and independent condition which they have assumed and maintain, are henceforth not to be considered as subjects for future colonization by any European powers.

We owe it, therefore, to candor and to the amicable relations existing between the United States and those powers to declare that we should consider any attempt on their part to extend their system to any portion of this hemisphere as dangerous to our peace and safety. With the existing colonies or dependencies of any European power, we have not interfered and shall not interfere. But with the Governments who have declared their independence and maintained it, and whose independence we have, on great consideration and on just principles, acknowledged, we could not view any interposition for the purpose of oppressing them, or controlling in any other manner their destiny, by any European power in any other light than as the manifestation of an unfriendly disposition toward the United States.
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Note the distinct lack of racism. :rolleyes:
 
I got your Monroe Doctrine right here:

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Wudang said:
Listen to your doctor and take your meds.
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I'm reminded of an episode of Doc Martin ('On The Edge') which had a similar off-his-meds conspiracy nut spouting drivel. But Chris O'Dowd does it better.
 
* lexical priming

* lexical obfuscation

// __ Reagan tells Soviet jokes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A&t=2m10s
~
gringo media is all about making fun of all those "un-Amerikan" earthlings out there.

They don't seem to be able to see what a good theme for jokes all those "land of 'the' free and 'the' 'brave' ..." and all that crap is. Besides what does that one liner in the mind, voice and times of Patrick Henry have to do with current day U.S.A?
 
> The Monroe Doctrine . . .
> Note the distinct lack of racism.

You told me I don't know about russia. I could tell you you don't seem to know ***** about gringos. They (most of them) actually see the Monroe and all those other bsing "doctrines" as "altruistic", "'good' Christian" things ...

Actually Nazis in their version were honest and true to their bs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum

at the very least they didn't "freedom love" people who could not defend themselves on an equal basis and, first, after those „Undermenschen“ stopped their Blitzkrieg and then stopped them. They formidably (historians and military strategists would say "senselessly") tried their best at defendeding themselves as they were being rolled over by the Russian Army all the way back to Berlin.

Gringos will -most probably- (no, I am not spoiling it for them) not have a chance to wonder about what happened to all that worldsonlysuperpowerness of theirs, their large TV sets, twitter accounts and all that cr@p. That would be so much fun! and of the Star Wars kind as they like it! At least something will be surely true. God will be on their side!
 
rlopez2 said:
> The Monroe Doctrine . . .
> Note the distinct lack of racism.

You told me I don't know about russia.
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Stalinist Russia, to be precise, but no, you don't.
I'm happy to be corrected on this. No doubt you are just about to do that.

rlopez2 said:
I could tell you you don't seem to know ***** about gringos. They (most of them) actually see the Monroe and all those other bsing "doctrines" as "altruistic", "'good' Christian" things ...
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Silly me. There I was thinking you were going to demonstrate your knowledge of Stalinist Russia, and justify your assertion that the US is similar in many respects to that oppressive state. Instead, you've failed to answer that at all, and are now going off on yet another of your racist rants.
I assume (probably naively) that you have evidence of this claimed shared belief of most non-Hispanics?

rlopez2 said:
Actually Nazis in their version were honest and true to their bs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum

at the very least they didn't "freedom love" people who could not defend themselves on an equal basis and, first, after those „Undermenschen“ stopped their Blitzkrieg and then stopped them. They formidably (historians and military strategists would say "senselessly") tried their best at defendeding themselves as they were being rolled over by the Russian Army all the way back to Berlin.
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Somewhere in this confused mess, there is presumably some kind of rationale for comparing the Monroe Doctrine with the Nazi idea of Lebensraum.
It's very well hidden, if there is. Given that the Monroe Doctrine is specifically about defending the independence (at least from Europe) of Latin American countries, and Lebensraum is the exact opposite of that, it's hard even to guess what that connection might be.

rlopez2 said:
Gringos will -most probably- (no, I am not spoiling it for them) not have a chance to wonder about what happened to all that worldsonlysuperpowerness of theirs, their large TV sets, twitter accounts and all that cr@p. That would be so much fun! and of the Star Wars kind as they like it! At least something will be surely true. God will be on their side!
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Once again, may I take the opportunity to remind you that there are countries that are not the United States in the world. There are also lots of people in America with different opinions. Sorry if this messes up your simplistic stereotyping of a large part of global humanity.
A further reminder, as it too is clearly needed, that the term 'gringo' is offensive.
 
thank you Lord for listening to my prayers, spying on my dreams!

U.S. Troops "gradually" out of Germany!

// __ US military in Germany: What you need to know

https://www.dw.com/en/us-military-in-germany-what-you-need-to-know/a-49998340

Another contentious arrangement is the fact that the Ramstein Air Base is used as a control center for drone strikes in Yemen and elsewhere.
~
// __ Court orders Germany to question US drone strikes

https://www.dw.com/en/court-orders-germany-to-question-us-drone-strikes/a-47979480
~

and, BTW, dear Lord, please, don"t leave me without dreams to live for, OK?

> ... parklife

this is what I meant. To me "capitalism" is not one thing in the sense that "capitalist" countries are very different from one another. "capitalism" is just a term used in the ways that fit the functional illusions of people's rulers. Like "feudalism" which was a term invented by "capitalism" to make fun of people living in the company of their cows and pigs for a while after the enduring the PAX bs for long, USG's version of it may not be judged so positively by future generations.

In fact, after living in the U.S. for more than two decades, I started to see it as a vast and "successful", I would admit, social control project. You see it right here at ISFs. In order to "understand" what "capitalism" is all about you don't need to go to college:

// __ Types of Commercials

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDNVPDwrKmE
~
// __ The century of the Self: (mass manupulation of the media) Edward Bernays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s
~
 
rlopez2 said:
thank you Lord for listening to my prayers, spying on my dreams!

U.S. Troops "gradually" out of Germany!

// __ US military in Germany: What you need to know

https://www.dw.com/en/us-military-in-germany-what-you-need-to-know/a-49998340

Another contentious arrangement is the fact that the Ramstein Air Base is used as a control center for drone strikes in Yemen and elsewhere.
~
// __ Court orders Germany to question US drone strikes

https://www.dw.com/en/court-orders-germany-to-question-us-drone-strikes/a-47979480
~

and, BTW, dear Lord, please, don"t leave me without dreams to live for, OK?

> ... parklife

this is what I meant. To me "capitalism" is not one thing in the sense that "capitalist" countries are very different from one another. "capitalism" is just a term used in the ways that fit the functional illusions of people's rulers. Like "feudalism" which was a term invented by "capitalism" to make fun of people living in the company of their cows and pigs for a while after the enduring the PAX bs for long, USG's version of it may not be judged so positively by future generations.

In fact, after living in the U.S. for more than two decades, I started to see it as a vast and "successful", I would admit, social control project. You see it right here at ISFs. In order to "understand" what "capitalism" is all about you don't need to go to college:

// __ Types of Commercials

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDNVPDwrKmE
~
// __ The century of the Self: (mass manupulation of the media) Edward Bernays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s
~
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"I don't know what you mean by 'glory'," Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't- till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"

"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
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Indeed.
 
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