Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

johnny karate said:
Here’s you pretty declaratively claiming the Danielson acted in self-defense:



Since you seem to be walking this claim back now, would like to amend it or retract it altogether?
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I don't believe you are discussing this honestly anymore. On the slim outside chance that you are badly hung over:

The video seems to show Reinoehl initiating the violence by drawing, and Danielson countering. I have said over and over that this is still murky, because the audio suggests there might be more going on than we can see.

if you Polly Want a Cracker again, I'm out babe.
 
Thermal said:
I don't believe you are discussing this honestly anymore. On the slim outside chance that you are badly hung over:

The video seems to show Reinoehl initiating the violence by drawing, and Danielson countering. I have said over and over that this is still murky, because the audio suggests there might be more going on than we can see.

if you Polly Want a Cracker again, I'm out babe.
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Pretending that you didn’t make the claim that I quoted you making wasn’t one of the options presented to you.

Again, you explicitly claimed that Danielson was the “defender”.

Do you stand by that claim?
 
Emily's Cat said:
Not even sure they'd need them to have drawn first.
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Everyone has biases, it's human nature. But this political parroting is obnoxious.

The guy drew a gun on the street absent any observable threat and they are seriously making this out like he had an invisible shotgun shoved down his throat.
 
Thermal said:
Everyone has biases, it's human nature. But this political parroting is obnoxious.

The guy drew a gun on the street absent any observable threat and they are seriously making this out like he had an invisible shotgun shoved down his throat.
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Who specifically is doing this? Please provide quotes.
 
johnny karate said:
Pretending that you didn’t make the claim that I quoted you making wasn’t one of the options presented to you.

Again, you explicitly claimed that Danielson was the “defender”.

Do you stand by that claim?
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Squawk.

No, I didn't repeat every word of my position in every post to mitigate you cherry-picking and quote-mining and plucking out of context. There is a very dishonest reason that you keep sticking to that one post and ignoring the rest.

Per what we can see in the video, Danielson sure seems like he is defending with what he has against a guy who drew a deadly weapon on the street, which is solidly in the self defense category.

Do you not understand the meaning of all the other postings? Like my first line in this exchange: "This one gets murkier for me on every turn."
 
Thermal said:
Squawk.

No, I didn't repeat every word of my position in every post to mitigate you cherry-picking and quote-mining and plucking out of context. There is a very dishonest reason that you keep sticking to that one post and ignoring the rest.

Per what we can see in the video, Danielson sure seems like he is defending with what he has against a guy who drew a deadly weapon on the street, which is solidly in the self defense category.

Do you not understand the meaning of all the other postings? Like my first line in this exchange: "This one gets murkier for me on every turn."
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Nothing was taken out context or cherry-picked and the entire passage in which you made your original claim was quoted along with a link back to the entire post.

You specifically claimed that Danielson was the defender. There were no qualifiers to this claim other than a sarcastic comment about Reinoehl possibly being a quick-draw artist.

The weird part is that you get offended that I’m pointing this out and then you doubled-down on the claim in the above post. Granted, with much less declarative language, but you are once again claiming that Danielson acted in self-defense.

Which just brings us back to my original question.

Is it your position that it is an act of self-defense to charge at someone with a drawn gun?
 
johnny karate said:
Nothing was taken out context or cherry-picked and the entire passage in which you made your original claim was quoted along with a link back to the entire post.

You specifically claimed that Danielson was the defender. There were no qualifiers to this claim other than a sarcastic comment about Reinoehl possibly being a quick-draw artist.

The weird part is that you get offended that I’m pointing this out and then you doubled-down on the claim in the above post. Granted, with much less declarative language, but you are once again claiming that Danielson acted in self-defense.

Which just brings us back to my original question.

Is it your position that it is an act of self-defense to charge at someone with a drawn gun?
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To repeat:

Thermal said:
Not till you show a shred of honesty in your argumentation. And you have a long backtrack to do so.
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I'll wait quietly.

To give you a head start at this honesty thing, you ask:

Which just brings us back to my original question.

Is it your position that it is an act of self-defense to charge at someone with a drawn gun?
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Of course not. In this case, it appears to be. If for example, you scream "I'm going to kill you" and prepare to rush at him, then he draws a gun, then you are not the defender.

Your lame ass reframed setup bait is not going to fly. I'll wait quietly from here till you figure out if you want to discuss honestly.
 
Thermal said:
Of course not. In this case, it appears to be.
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Okay, now we’re making progress.

You’ve claimed that the additional factor in this situation was that Reinoehl drew his gun without there existing an “imminent threat”.

Yet, you also acknowledge that the situation is “murky” due in part to the video footage not depicting a clear account of everything that transpired.

How can you then be certain enough that there was no imminent threat to Reinoehl to arrive at the opinion that Danielson acted in self-defense?
 
johnny karate said:
Okay, now we’re making progress.

You’ve claimed that the additional factor in this situation was that Reinoehl drew his gun without there existing an “imminent threat”.

Yet, you also acknowledge that the situation is “murky” due in part to the video footage not depicting a clear account of everything that transpired.

How can you then be certain enough that there was no imminent threat to Reinoehl to arrive at the opinion that Danielson acted in self-defense?
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I'm not, and said so repeatedly, with abundant clarifications and kindergarten-level explanations. We can all see the clumsy walk you are trying to take the discussion to. Please stop. It's embarrassing.
 
Thermal said:
I'm not, and said so repeatedly, with abundant clarifications and kindergarten-level explanations. We can all see the clumsy walk you are trying to take the discussion to. Please stop. It's embarrassing.
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You’re not what?

Of the opinion that Danielson acted in self-defense?

Or certain enough that Reinoehl faced no imminent threat as a basis for that opinion?
 
johnny karate said:
What do you specifically see Reinoehl doing in that video that is threatening beyond the act of merely having his gun out?
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You can't defend yourself until the nazi is smashing in your skull with his baton.

get with the game !
 
Captain_Swoop said:
You can't defend yourself until the nazi is smashing in your skull with his baton.

get with the game !
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However, if it's a black person you want to defend yourself against, you can just shoot when you feel like it. If they look at you funny. If they walk through your neighbor. If you see them... because 'Merica
 
thaiboxerken said:
However, if it's a black person you want to defend yourself against, you can just shoot when you feel like it. If they look at you funny. If they walk through your neighbor. If you see them... because 'Merica
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The SelfAwareWolf is strong in this one.
 
What curfew?
News showing a Massive crowd in Huntington Beach, CA protesting the statewide covid curfew. All out on the streets past curfew.

Remember when Black Lives Matter protesters got shot at and pepper sprayed in the street because we were out “past curfew”?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
What curfew?
News showing a Massive crowd in Huntington Beach, CA protesting the statewide covid curfew. All out on the streets past curfew.

Remember when Black Lives Matter protesters got shot at and pepper sprayed in the street because we were out “past curfew”?
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To be fair, if these protestors were black, they would be shot at and pepper sprayed.
 
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