Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

[TurkeysGhost]

FWIW, I think the Salem police did generally a better job than Portland when it comes to keeping the crowds separated. Here they are appealing to the right wingers to stay in their area:

https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1303111233801916417

"Back to your side now!"

As far as the revolving door is concerned, I think it is a serious problem(especially with these guys) and its not like it is different than other protesters, they also have a catch and release policy. I don't think there is a big delta between the two groups.

I edited my comment. Cops let the two men go who chased someone down and committed broad daylight assault.

Not sure what you mean by "catch and release". Protestors in Portland are going to jail overnight or longer and making bail after a hearing. Proud Boys walk away after a friendly chat with the cops. Unclear if there are any charges to the two men.

 

[portlandatheist]

I edited my comment. Cops let the two men go who chased someone down and committed broad daylight assault.

Not sure what you mean by "catch and release". Protestors in Portland are going to jail overnight or longer and making bail after a hearing. Proud Boys walk away after a friendly chat with the cops. Unclear if there are any charges to the two men.

and my thoughts on that were "that is a serious problem".

 

[TurkeysGhost]

and my thoughts on that were "that is a serious problem".

And part of a larger trend of inaction by law enforcement to crimes, including violent crime, committed by right wing extremists.

It's quite clear who the cops see as allies to protect.

A hard lesson today for counter protestors who thought non-violence would keep them safe. The counter protestors in Salem are noteably less battle hardened than those in Portland and did not show up ready for a fight, and the touring fascists took full advantage. Fascists gleefully meted out violence without fear of consequence.

Reinoehl had the right idea, killing these people is the only sure bet.

 

[portlandatheist]

Eddie Coleman, 20 years old, was the brave counter-protester assaulted by the Proud Boys in Salem, Oregon:
https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1303114969869819904

 

[Shadowdweller]

Please prove provocation, not reaction. Specific to Portland, and not applicable to other cities. I do not see it.
I see Wheeler as a total disaster of a mayor. Even the protesters try to torch his place.

To name a token few:

* Breaking up families with one or more immigrant members in contravention of both Federal and Oregon law. (ICE facilities have been the target of repeated arson attempts during protests)

* Sending in unmarked and unwanted federal troops to abuse and arrest locals against the wishes of the governor, both senators, and mayor as previously noted.

* Trying to subvert Oregon's vote-by-mail system; and causing needless postal delays in the process.

A pilot program call “Expedited to Street” that the postal service rolled out last month in several Portland-area zip codes, Eugene, Tigard, Medford, Woodburn [cities in Oregon] and other locations nationwide limits the amount of time workers have each morning to sort mail, instead putting carriers out on the street before mail is sorted.

It has had the effect of delaying how long it takes mail to reach affected Oregonians, and Portland-area postal workers said local mail that would normally have arrived the next day now may now take three times that long to arrive.

* Encouraging/Sending in large conservative groups who flagrantly ignore state and local restrictions aimed at preventing the spread of coronavirus

Images from the event show that most of those in attendance were not wearing masks or face coverings.

According to the Oregon Health Authority, outdoor gatherings in Multnomah County are limited to 50 people-- even if the event is faith-based.

In a post about the “Let Us Worship” events, Christian singer Sean Fuecht, who performed at the event, spoke out against coronavirus restrictions that have stalled church services.

 

[portlandatheist]

massive peaceful protest tonight in Portland in contrast to the riot events scheduled elsewhere. It is worth mentioning. Choose your events wisely.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

massive peaceful protest tonight in Portland in contrast to the riot events scheduled elsewhere. It is worth mentioning. Choose your events wisely.

Yeah, people like Eddie Coleman ought to have known better than to exercise their civil rights non-violently when fascists were around. It's probably best that decent people just cede the public square to violent fascists, lest there be disorder.

 

[johnny karate]

It isn't 100% conclusive but we see the shooter hiding in a parking garage as his victim walks by and in the video of the shooting itself, it is clear that the shooter moved on his victim and not the other way around. I think it is pretty reasonable to characterize the confrontation as an ambush.

And yet professional law enforcement investigators were unable to come to the same conclusion.

But thanks anyway, random person on the internet.

 

[Ziggurat]

Always a dilemma for reporters.
Are they there to document and report or do they get involved?

It's not a dilemma at all... for reporters. If they get involved, then they aren't reporters.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Ty Parker, 53, of Durango, Colorado, was arrested on suspicion of misdemeanor assault and first-degree intimidation, an Oregon State Police spokesman said. Trenton Wolfskill, 37, of Eugene, was arrested on suspicion of misdemeanor assault. Both were released, police said.

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/09/trump-supporters-proud-boys-gather-for-labor-day-caravan-outside-portland.html

Proud boys flying in from out of state to commit political violence.

Still no arrests for the man seen clubbing a fleeing protester in the back of the head with a metal bat. Nor any arrest for the woman seen, without mask and readily identifiable, pepper spraying the same man as he was defenseless on the ground.

One of the arrested men is seen taking part in both attacks, yet is only charged for the less severe attack.

I'm sure the cops will get right on investigating this matter. /s

 

[portlandatheist]

Yeah, people like Eddie Coleman ought to have known better than to exercise their civil rights non-violently when fascists were around. It's probably best that decent people just cede the public square to violent fascists, lest there be disorder.

Where do you come up with this crap and why do you do it?
Did you see my post:

Eddie Coleman, 20 years old, was the brave counter-protester assaulted by the Proud Boys in Salem, Oregon:
https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/stat...14969869819904

Who are you talking to with your straw up there or is it a sincere belief of yours? That "he ought to have known better than to exercise their civil rights non-violently"

 

[rdwight]

I edited my comment. Cops let the two men go who chased someone down and committed broad daylight assault.

Not sure what you mean by "catch and release". Protestors in Portland are going to jail overnight or longer and making bail after a hearing. Proud Boys walk away after a friendly chat with the cops. Unclear if there are any charges to the two men.

They were charged, but should have been more counts since the one guy was a part of the first assault as well. He also seemed to resist arrest, which I have never seen the cops shy away from adding on at the slightest hint of push back.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Where do you come up with this crap and why do you do it?
Did you see my post:


Who are you talking to with your straw up there or is it a sincere belief of yours? That "he ought to have known better than to exercise their civil rights non-violently"

You said "choose your events wisely". Smacks an awful lot of blaming the victims of violence at the hands of reactionaries.

Have you considered that the peaceful protest in Portland was peaceful because the known dangerous elements were too busy beating people in Salem to attend? This has very little to do with "choosing wisely" and a lot to do with where the Proud Boys and other fascist groups decide to target for violence.

Did Eddie "choose wisely", in your eyes?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

They were charged, but should have been more counts since the one guy was a part of the first assault as well. He also seemed to resist arrest, which I have never seen the cops shy away from adding on at the slightest hint of push back.

Indeed. The first attack where our Proud Boy in white is seen seems to be the much more severe one. He is partaking in what is almost certainly a felony assault, since the victim was struck in the head with a bat. As an accomplice, he should be charged with the felony as well.

The man with the bat was not arrested as far as I can tell, neither is the lady seen pepper spraying the already downed victim. So far the cops seem content to ignore this felony beating.

Curious how someone from Colorado would be booked and released same day. He is almost certainly a flight risk, and letting him go free practically guarantees Oregon will have to extradite him from Colorado.

 

[portlandatheist]

And yet professional law enforcement investigators were unable to come to the same conclusion.

But thanks anyway, random person on the internet.

of course, you are excluding the part of my quote where Homicide Detective Rico Beniga made precisely that conclusion not to mention the eye witness accounts

 

[rdwight]

Indeed. The first attack where our Proud Boy in white is seen seems to be the much more severe one. He is partaking in what is almost certainly a felony assault, since the victim was struck in the head with a bat. As an accomplice, he should be charged with the felony as well.

The man with the bat was not arrested as far as I can tell, neither is the lady seen pepper spraying the already downed victim. So far the cops seem content to ignore this felony beating.

Curious how someone from Colorado would make bail. He is almost certainly a flight risk, and letting him go free practically guarantees Oregon will have to extradite him from Colorado.

This is where the prosecutors should be aiming for maximums on sentencing. Start handing out 1+ year sentences for these fights and you will quickly see them start rethinking the strategy.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

This is where the prosecutors should be aiming for maximums on sentencing. Start handing out 1+ year sentences for these fights and you will quickly see them start rethinking the strategy.

It rarely gets that far. Prosecutors can't throw the book at people if the cops never make arrests.

The previous assault took place in plain view of the police and the masked attacker just walked away free as a bird. It will be difficult now to positively ID him, though online antifa types will try.

the arrest during the second attack is an outlier when it comes to police behavior at these fascist rallies.

Meanwhile BLM "rioters" are getting arrested left and right for things like failure to disperse or disorderly conduct. The disparate treatment is impossible to ignore. The cops make it clear they approve of the fash.

 

[Minoosh]

It isn't 100% conclusive but we see the shooter hiding in a parking garage as his victim walks by and in the video of the shooting itself, it is clear that the shooter moved on his victim and not the other way around. I think it is pretty reasonable to characterize the confrontation as an ambush.

Has it been determined if Rienoehl fired a weapon during the arrest attempt? Witnesses reported 30-50 shots and the DOJ said he "produced" a gun - not that he fired it or pointed it. Witnesses described people running for their lives.

I am wondering if there's been some local reporting about the attempted arrest itself. Up to 50 shots in a residential neighborhood sounds dangerous. I haven't been able to find anything more up to date.

Also found this paragraph in an ABC News report

Witnesses of the fatal shooting allege that Danielson pulled out a large can and sprayed it, followed by the sound of two gunshots, according to the court documents. Police found a metal canister of "Bear Attack Deterrent" in the middle of Southwest Third Avenue, north of where Danielson was found, that appeared to have been struck by a bullet, court records show.

I don't know about the legality of using lethal force to thwart answer a bear-spray attack, but the collapsible baton in Danielson's other hand, plus the fact that he was also carrying a handgun, show he was prepared to inflict more violence.

If Reinoehl was stalking him and goaded him into using bear spray that would be fairly damning. If he had simply shot the can, maybe that would be more proportional. That still leaves Danielson with a baton and a handgun, though. But my main frustration is not being able to find out what happened during the arrest attempt. The tactics sound questionable. I wonder if the feds could have positioned a sniper looking for a clean shot vs. up to 50 shots being fired at ground level by marshals etc.

ETA: No real doubt in my mind that Reinoehl was prepared to go out as a martyr to the cause. If he fired on officers, that's one thing. But I wonder if he just "produced" a weapon in order to end it all ... and didn't fire.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I'm wondering if there is body cam footage of the arrest attempt. For some reason, I'm thinking that the cameras malfunctioned or that the footage was misplaced....

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I'm wondering if there is body cam footage of the arrest attempt. For some reason, I'm thinking that the cameras malfunctioned or that the footage was misplaced....

Hey now, you can't expect every rinky dink department to have a budget for body cams and fancy doo-dads. It's only the US Marshals we're talking about here.