Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

thaiboxerken said:
I am not playing your game because you make excuses for all and any evidence given to you.
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No one has given me evidence. ??
Do you think it is supposed to be so obvious as to not deserve any real answer?

It's ok. It is hard to proves something you feel strongly about when you cannot really back it up with actual demonstrable facts or if it is too hard to explain. It's an emotional belief based on the 'vibe' you think Trump sends out. Hard to prove, but you should just admit it instead of sidestepping with sarcasm.

Trump says a LOT of stupid things. there is hardly a person any side of Hannity who can defend him with a straight face for some of his statements. But some are right on.
Obama also called rioters "Thugs and criminals" and no one blamed him for looting and destruction.

Sending Fed agents to protect Fed property is not something that should incite persons to burn stuff down- including the mayors condo building after 94 days of burning all the other things in the city. People who destroy property they do not own do not get my sympathy. They are criminals
 
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Here are some good articles that the rioting apologists and the 'give violence a chance' crowd here should read:
The Pinnacle of Looting Apologia in the Atlantic
I am also from recent-immigrant stock. Osterweil euphemizes looting as “proletarian shopping,” and no one from a place that has recently experienced this phenomenon can take seriously her assurance that it can happen justly and bloodlessly. When I think of riots and smashed storefronts, I think of Kristallnacht. I think of American businesses built by penniless immigrants who preferred to forfeit their vacations and weekends for 30 years rather than see their children suffer as they did; I think of these businesses ransacked in 30 minutes and left in ruins. Osterweil at least has the psychology right when she says that looting can be “joyous and liberatory.” I have never seen a sullen looter, but I have seen plenty of shop owners crying next to the smoking remains of their children’s future.
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And another
Don't Steal This Book On "In Defense of Looting”
There are a lot of things one can say about Abbie Hoffman, but he was no LARPer.
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(I'm not the only one using this term)
and
These and countless other details make In Defense of Looting more cringe-worthy in its own way than a Sean Hannity flag-and-mugshot insta-book could ever hope to be, but what makes it a perfect manifesto for the woke era is its pathos. Adherents to this theology are characterized by a boundless, almost Trumpian capacity for self-pity, even as they’re advocating setting you on fire. They can make wrapping fishwiches sound like digging coal in Matewan, being deprived of a smartphone like being whipped by Centurions, and they matter because everyone, including especially Democratic Party politicians, is afraid of the fallout that comes with telling them to shut the **** up. So their “ideas” spread like cancer.
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Sherkeu said:
No one has given me evidence. ??
Do you think it is supposed to be so obvious as to not deserve any real answer?

It's ok. It is hard to proves something you feel strongly about when you cannot really back it up with actual demonstrable facts or if it is too hard to explain. It's an emotional belief based on the 'vibe' you think Trump sends out. Hard to prove, but you should just admit it instead of sidestepping with sarcasm.

Trump says a LOT of stupid things. there is hardly a person any side of Hannity who can defend him with a straight face for some of his statements. But some are right on.
Obama also called rioters "Thugs and criminals" and no one blamed him for looting and destruction.

Sending Fed agents to protect Fed property is not something that should incite persons to burn stuff down- including the mayors condo building after 94 days of burning all the other things in the city. People who destroy property they do not own do not get my sympathy. They are criminals
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Fed agents, without insignia, abducting protesters is okay?
And I notice that you aren't big on the presumption of innocence.
 
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portlandatheist said:
More information about the murder
The bear spray we see in the video is because the first shot hit the canister causing it to explode. Antifa hate cops but they sure love to make-believe that they are cops
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The video is clear that there is spray before the first shot. The can may have got hit and destroyed, but trying to claim that the dead fash didn't spray it is plainly untrue.

Our deceased shooter was quite the shot. 2 shots, one fatal to center chest, another destroying the can. Gotta recognize the skill.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
The video is clear that there is spray before the first shot. The can may have got hit and destroyed, but trying to claim that the dead fash didn't spray it is plainly untrue.

Our deceased shooter was quite the shot. 2 shots, one fatal to center chest, another destroying the can. Gotta recognize the skill.
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Fair enough, however, it is looking more and more like your LARPer action hero stalked his victim. I've said from the beginning that weapons have no place at any demonstration and it nullifies any claim of protected "peaceful assembly" and I'm not reserving my contempt for only the likes of the shooter, but also the right-wingers brandishing real guns, paintball guns, bear spray, etc. We, as a society, appear to be normalizing and rationalizing this dangerous trend. Our justice system failed with the dismissal of charges against your action hero's previous arrests.
 
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Fair enough, however, it is looking more and more like your LARPer action hero stalked his victim. I've said from the beginning that weapons have no place at any demonstration and it nullifies any claim of protected "peaceful assembly" and I'm not reserving my contempt for only the likes of the shooter, but also the right-wingers brandishing real guns, paintball guns, bear spray, etc. We, as a society, appear to be normalizing and rationalizing this dangerous trend. Our justice system failed with the dismissal of charges against your action hero's previous arrests.
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+1
 
Thermal said:
Ziggurat said:
Opinions on the legality vary.
Not really, unless some precedent is presented. Illegal for a minor to open carry a firearm, with an exception made for hunting. Kind of a long reach to connect those dots. Depending on how you feel about protesters, I suppose.



He postedpics of himself at home with what appears to be the same gun. Unless his lawyers have something a little more convincing than 'trust us, it wasn't transported across State lines but we can't say how it ended up in his hands', then that's some pretty weak T. Who would lend a kid a thousand dollar gun to roam the streets with during a riot? I have a strong feeling that would be a rather serious crime.
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For what it's worth, I didn't see anything about transporting weapons across state lines in the criminal complaint.
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CaptainHowdy said:
For what it's worth, I didn't see anything about transporting weapons across state lines in the criminal complaint.
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Again, IANAL, but wouldn't that be a federal offence? If so, would that be something the State of Wisconsin would charge him with? (I genuinely don't know).

That said, if it were the case that carrying a firearm across state lines was a federal crime then wouldn't a federal court have charged him by now, or would that only come after an investigation at state level?
 
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And thanks to ALL that paperwork we made them fill out we will soon know just who exactly owns this firearm.
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Not so sure about soon. Dude is facing multiple felonies during covid. It'll be a long time before his trial.

No bond for mass shooters, so he's spending his youth chilling in juvie.
 
portlandatheist said:
Fair enough, however, it is looking more and more like your LARPer action hero stalked his victim. I've said from the beginning that weapons have no place at any demonstration and it nullifies any claim of protected "peaceful assembly" and I'm not reserving my contempt for only the likes of the shooter, but also the right-wingers brandishing real guns, paintball guns, bear spray, etc. We, as a society, appear to be normalizing and rationalizing this dangerous trend. Our justice system failed with the dismissal of charges against your action hero's previous arrests.
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If the cops want to stop further extrajudicial violence, the first step would be policing the right wingers that come into town openly armed with a clear intent to cause violence and mayhem.

This killing comes on the heels of weeks of escalation. The previous fash rally saw Alan Swinney bandish a firearm and another unidentified fash firing a gun, after hours of attacks with pepper spray, clubs, and paintball guns. No arrests as of yet, despite the criminals themselves gloating about their actions and promising more in the future.

When it comes to these showdowns, it's not a case of "both sides". Until the shooting of their man, the right was absolutely gleeful about the prospect of violence in the streets. The right has been the primary driver in instigating street violence, and it's well pass time they suffered the consequences for it.

I've praised Reinoehl for his act of community defense, and will continue to do so. Id support the shooting if it were an outright ambush killing. These fascists have been given free reign to terrorize the streets by the cops, so there are no "good" options, but inaction is the worst possible response. No pasaran!

This should not be considered an endorsement of Reinoehl's entire life or other actions, of which I'm largely unfamiliar.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
If the cops want to stop further extrajudicial violence, the first step would be policing the right wingers that come into town openly armed with a clear intent to cause violence and mayhem.

This killing comes on the heels of weeks of escalation. The previous fash rally saw Alan Swinney bandish a firearm and another unidentified fash firing a gun, after hours of attacks with pepper spray, clubs, and paintball guns. No arrests as of yet, despite the criminals themselves gloating about their actions and promising more in the future.

When it comes to these showdowns, it's not a case of "both sides". Until the shooting of their man, the right was absolutely gleeful about the prospect of violence in the streets. The right has been the primary driver in instigating street violence, and it's well pass time they suffered the consequences for it.

I've praised Reinoehl for his act of community defense, and will continue to do so. Id support the shooting if it were an outright ambush killing. These fascists have been given free reign to terrorize the streets by the cops, so there are no "good" options, but inaction is the worst possible response. No pasaran!

This should not be considered an endorsement of Reinoehl's entire life or other actions, of which I'm largely unfamiliar.
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LOL! So you don't support anything in this guy's life except for the time he committed cold-blooded murder.
 
Pictures of the dead Danielson show an open asp baton lying near his body and empty baton holster on his belt. Pictures from earlier in the day show him carrying the collapsing baton

Seems likely that, in addition to spraying bear mace, Danielson was brandishing this clubbing weapon when he was shot. Obviously, someone wielding a club and attempting to incapacitate with mace is presenting a serious threat of injury or death.

https://twitter.com/bmcgrub/status/1300666343650279424?s=19


With Reinoehl dead, I doubt there will be much resolution to a self-defense claim.
 
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It's not often you get to watch video of people on fire, but thanks to the fine people of Portland, you can do that today.

This is seriously messed up.
 
Meadmaker said:
It's not often you get to watch video of people on fire, but thanks to the fine people of Portland, you can do that today.

This is seriously messed up.
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The first one of you that makes a Fyre Festival or Burning Man crack, so help me God...
 
In both Kenosha and Portland, as well as Charlottesville 2017 and every other instance (without exception) - Antifa are always the originators of the violence. Danielson came prepared to defend himself against the very well known, predictable violence he'd encounter from Antifa and was killed for trying to defend himself.

Rittenhouse was also set upon by Antifa violence, and he successfully defended himself.

Whether it's the guy who got hit with a bike lock across the head by the Antifa professor a few years ago, or these events now - it's always the same story. These Antifa people, especially a dedicated core within them, openly advocate for violent measures and revel in the destruction of property, arson, and horrendous violence upon other persons - usually done in a completely out of the blue fashion like a "sucker punch" or ambush approach.
 
johnny karate said:
How was it a “cold-blooded murder”? And what evidence do you have to support this claim?
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1. ST specified that he would support Reinoehl's actions "if it was an ambush shooting."

2. See here for evidence that it was indeed an ambush shooting.
 
Brainster said:
1. ST specified that he would support Reinoehl's actions "if it was an ambush shooting."

2. See here for evidence that it was indeed an ambush shooting.
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I see a few theories posited based on conflicting witness statements followed by this statement: “The affidavit did not lay out a definitive answer as to what kind of conflict may have arisen”.

If law enforcement could not draw a conclusion, how were you able to?
 
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In both Kenosha and Portland, as well as Charlottesville 2017 and every other instance (without exception) - Antifa are always the originators of the violence. Danielson came prepared to defend himself against the very well known, predictable violence he'd encounter from Antifa and was killed for trying to defend himself.

Rittenhouse was also set upon by Antifa violence, and he successfully defended himself.

Whether it's the guy who got hit with a bike lock across the head by the Antifa professor a few years ago, or these events now - it's always the same story. These Antifa people, especially a dedicated core within them, openly advocate for violent measures and revel in the destruction of property, arson, and horrendous violence upon other persons - usually done in a completely out of the blue fashion like a "sucker punch" or ambush approach.
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and this must be true, because Trump said so.
 
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