Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

[Bogative]

Vice News interviews killer

Michael Reinoehl, after reporting to a friend he saw hundreds of trucks with flags, got a call saying he should maybe come down there because security may be needed – "it was a free-for-all and the police were letting it happen."

He then illegally armed himself and headed down there where he eventually killed a man.

Vigilantism. Or, does this not count because he's a left-winger?

 

[angrysoba]

Vigilantism. Or, does this not count because he's a left-winger?

You do know that this guy got shot dead by the police, right?

In other words, it is somewhat moot now, is it not?

 

[Bogative]

In other words, it is somewhat moot now, is it not?

If someone other than Reinoehl said "we got a couple over here" it's not.

It could have been an ambush.

 

[Meadmaker]

Michael Reinoehl, after reporting to a friend he saw hundreds of trucks with flags, got a call saying he should maybe come down there because security may be needed – "it was a free-for-all and the police were letting it happen."

He then illegally armed himself and headed down there where he eventually killed a man.

Vigilantism. Or, does this not count because he's a left-winger?

Seems like vigilantism to me, if that's how it happened.

What I don't understand is what was it that the police were "letting happen". I haven't seen any pictures of buildings burnt down by the Trumpers, or windows smashed by the Trumpers. I have seen some violent clashes, but they usually involved cases where Trumpers were driving down the street and people blocked the street. In other words, typical stupidity of mobs. One side acts, the other escalates, repeat until someone gets killed.

I think the guys who used the paintball guns ought to be prosecuted, as should the people who threw things at their pickup trucks. It might not be worth the effort to track them down, but if it is possible to do so, I think those people should be found and have the opportunity to explain their actions to a judge.

 

[Brainster]

A little more on Reinoehl:

Michael Forest Reinoehl, a self-described anti-fascist who provided security for Portland racial justice protests, appears to have targeted a participant in a pro-Trump rally, emerging from an alcove of a parking garage before firing two gunshots, one that hit the man’s bear spray can and the other that proved fatal, according to a police affidavit unsealed Friday.

And note this charming little detail about how he obtained the weapon:

As part of the investigation, police learned that Reinoehl had sent a text message to his teenage son on Aug. 7 that read, “Sell me the gun for a quarter pound of weed and $100 I’m getting tired of this **** I need a piece now,” according to the affidavit.

An example to us all!

 

[portlandatheist]

More information about the murder
The bear spray we see in the video is because the first shot hit the canister causing it to explode. Antifa hate cops but they sure love to make-believe that they are cops

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Trump is repeating his Covid-playbook when it comes to the protests:

as long as it happens in Blue States, make sure the problem gets worse, not better.

 

[Sherkeu]

Trump is repeating his Covid-playbook when it comes to the protests:

as long as it happens in Blue States, make sure the problem gets worse, not better.

??? The Blue States have lots of resources of their own. A Governor, mayors, local police, State police, Sheriffs, access to their Nat. Guard forces.

They dont need Trump to make or solve their issues unless they really let things get out of hand and need extra reinforcement. They just need to make one simple call to get it. The rioters arent really such a big group compared to the resources a State can send in.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

??? The Blue States have lots of resources of their own. A Governor, mayors, local police, State police, Sheriffs, access to their Nat. Guard forces.

They dont need Trump to make or solve their issues unless they really let things get out of hand and need extra reinforcement. They just need to make one simple call to get it. The rioters arent really such a big group compared to the resources a State can send in.

Exactly.

That is why Trump is promoting fake news, conspiracy theories, vigilantism, police violence and sends in his DHS goons wherever he can.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Trump is repeating his Covid-playbook when it comes to the protests:

as long as it happens in Blue States, make sure the problem gets worse, not better.

I thinks it's fair to say excuses are being made for all the evil **** Trump is doing.

 

[portlandatheist]

In regards to "LARPing"

Soldier vs. soldier.

Anyone who brings weapons to the scene is a soldier. Full stop.

Even so for weapons brought for the purpose of self-defense. You are automatically a soldier. Full stop.

Stop the boat for a second.

What does LARPing mean, again? Back in the day it referred to Nordic teens running around in costumes in the woods, playing a kind of improv Dungeons&Dragons. Then it seems to be applied as a kind of defense of the more slimy and despicable conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones, as in, "oh, they're just creating this fantasy world for themselves, they don't actually mean what they say", as if they made up horrible lies about victims of terrorist attacks and school shootings just to pass the time wih their buddies, like when teens in the woods pretended to be elves hunting trolls.

Now you're apparently "Live-action role-playing" [if you] shoot black people in the streets.

Did you mean to use the term very sarcastically/satirically, or is there some other meaning here I don't get? I take it my interpretation above is completely wrong?

They aren't soldiers, full stop.

These militia types are riot tourists ...

The Retard Brigade

Yes, I'm using the word "LARP" as an insult. I guess a more acurate and neutral word is simply vigilantes.
Kyle Rittenhouse and Michael Reinoehl are birds of a feather and feel the need to "work security".
The only thing more dangerous and violent than real police are the right-wingers and left-wingers who like to role play as them.

The "cop free" zone in Seattle had an organized group of people wearing body armor, communicating on walkie-talkies, carrying semi-automatic weapons, going on patrol, and eventually shooting and unarmed black teenager.
but sure, they liberated themselves from the oppression of the police in the same way the animals liberated themselves from oppression of the farmer in Orwell's Animal Farm.

Meanwhile, people like Skeptic Tank and SuburbanTurkey and others delight in the violence and "street justice" and it is super creepy.

 

[portlandatheist]

An example to us all!

"Rose City Antifa: Ruining lives since 2007!"

 

[Sherkeu]

Exactly.

That is why Trump is promoting fake news, conspiracy theories, vigilantism, police violence and sends in his DHS goons wherever he can.

What does this matter? Why only some cities? You think Trump targeted Portland? 80% white vegan soy hippie Portland?
San Diego seems to have their things under control. So does Oakland, and Barstow, and Denver, and Tallahassee, and Boise, and Santa Fe, etc....

But, it's Portland that Trump wanted? With it's 7% black population?
That makes no sense whatsoever. This is a problem personal to Portland that predates Trump ever taking office. It is just one of those 'protest magnet' places.
They'd picket outside of 31 flavors ice cream demanding 3 more flavors and an end to 'cow rape'. That's just how they are.

 

[thaiboxerken]

You think Trump targeted Portland?

Yes, but only based on facts, evidence and the things Trump says.

 

[Sherkeu]

Yes, but only based on facts, evidence and the things Trump says.

Please prove provocation, not reaction. Specific to Portland, and not applicable to other cities. I do not see it.
I see Wheeler as a total disaster of a mayor. Even the protesters try to torch his place.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Please prove provocation,...

Would you like me to prove that the earth isn't flat as well?

 

[Ziggurat]

He is 17.
He is.not allowed to carry that weapon in public.

What about"illegal" is hard to understand?

Opinions on the legality vary. We shall see. I note you ignored the other errors, like the ass pull about the gun coming from out of state.

 

[Sherkeu]

Would you like me to prove that the earth isn't flat as well?

If it is easier, you can do 'earth flat' in another thread.
If you think it is SOOOO obvious that Trump is responsible for Portland, please just provide how Trump incited that city specifically and how the ongoing violence is also his fault.

Consider it community service for us totally ignorant folk out here in the burbs of the internet.
Easy peasy right?

 

[Thermal]

Opinions on the legality vary.

Not really, unless some precedent is presented. Illegal for a minor to open carry a firearm, with an exception made for hunting. Kind of a long reach to connect those dots. Depending on how you feel about protesters, I suppose.

We shall see. I note you ignored the other errors, like the ass pull about the gun coming from out of state.

He postedpics of himself at home with what appears to be the same gun. Unless his lawyers have something a little more convincing than 'trust us, it wasn't transported across State lines but we can't say how it ended up in his hands', then that's some pretty weak T. Who would lend a kid a thousand dollar gun to roam the streets with during a riot? I have a strong feeling that would be a rather serious crime.

 

[thaiboxerken]

If it is easier, you can do 'earth flat' in another thread.
If you think it is SOOOO obvious that Trump is responsible for Portland, please just provide how Trump incited that city specifically and how the ongoing violence is also his fault.

Consider it community service for us totally ignorant folk out here in the burbs of the internet.
Easy peasy right?

I am not playing your game because you make excuses for all and any evidence given to you.