Mumbles
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"all but outright stating that they are organizing specifically to murder others"
The Fascists don't discriminate between looters and protesters.
They rarely bother to distinguish either from "people going about their business" either, for that matter. But yeah, anyone with a basic understanding of English should understand what "Antifa is in for a bad time if LEO or the National Guard doesn't show up September 26th" means, when stated by the leader of a fascistic street gang organized by a white supremacist for the specific purpose of choking "trannies" and the like.
Is this "making stuff up", or is it opinion? It's not like similar opinions don't get thrown about expressed with similar certainty going the other way. Two wrongs don't make a right etc... but resisting it is a losing battle.
The key difference, of course, is that police, far-right militants, and the like are routinely caught saying that they outright desire violence. In public. Sometimes in campaign rallies. For example:
I think the idea is that federal help has been refused, so police have to handle it, Democrat politicians then side with the rioters if they complain about the police, and when the police do arrest rioters they are released by the DA. There is a perception that these governors, mayors and DAs have created a situation where there are no meaningful consequences for rioting and nothing meaningful is being done to stop the rioting. This isn't an isolated issue of the policy of one incompetent DA that we can account for by incompetence, is it? There is widespread reluctance to actively try to restore order.
The main problem in Portland is that the "federal help" consisted of unidentified goons that ran around beating and kidnapping people without explanation, and who only managed to heighten tensions to a tremendous level, to the point where mothers, old men with leaf blowers, and a host of lawyers, nurses, and so on ended up marching night after night.
Well, that and Dolt 45's open love of, and policies endorsing, violent white supremacism. That doesn't help either.

