Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

johnny karate said:
It seems to me that an administration interested in counteracting whatever foreign influences are alleged to be at play would enact policies to quell the social unrest instead of inflaming it.
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Seattle took action to reduce their police forces, and committed to meeting the demands of many protesters.

The protests kept going though. I'm not sure there's a way to quell the social unrest. I think there are parties (not necessarily abroad) who have an interest in continuing the unrest.

Same thing with Portland - even when the police did withdraw and cease hostilities, the violence continued. It's still continuing. It's arguably getting worse.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Seattle took action to reduce their police forces, and committed to meeting the demands of many protesters.

The protests kept going though. I'm not sure there's a way to quell the social unrest. I think there are parties (not necessarily abroad) who have an interest in continuing the unrest.

Same thing with Portland - even when the police did withdraw and cease hostilities, the violence continued. It's still continuing. It's arguably getting worse.
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The Portland police just gave fascists free reign to beat city residents, then took over the beatings into the night after their allies left town.

How is that de-escalation?
 
Emily's Cat said:
Seattle took action to reduce their police forces, and committed to meeting the demands of many protesters.

The protests kept going though. I'm not sure there's a way to quell the social unrest. I think there are parties (not necessarily abroad) who have an interest in continuing the unrest.

Same thing with Portland - even when the police did withdraw and cease hostilities, the violence continued. It's still continuing. It's arguably getting worse.
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And is the greatest gift anyone could give to the Trump campaign.
 
The amount a person actually cares about the causes they claim to care about is inversely proportional to the amount of time they waste making sure everyone in the discussion and everyone referenced in the discussion is properly plotted on the Political D&D Alignment Chart.
 
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Emily's Cat said:
Not necessary. Doesn't marxist philosophy essentially require a revolution to be put in place?
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Beats me, I'm only in it for the reign of terror. ;)

Fun jokes aside, this isn't the place to discuss the various branches of Marxist thought.

The point remains that American leftism and leftist advocacy isn't a foreign influence. If there are dirty commies in the BLM movement, they didn't come from a Cuban training camp and they aren't taking their marching orders from Moscow or Beijing.

They are just another unsatisfied customer of the American capitalist machine. Our failing state is sending people scrambling for a meaningful alternative. Often that means some sort of socialism, but often that also means fascism. Both are on the rise in this country, and neither are the products of foreign influence.
 
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Any movement that reaches a number above Dunbar's Number is going to be composed both of "People who Support X" and "People who Deal in with X because they see X as the enemy of Y"

BLM, Anifa, nor the goddamn 4 H Club can be expected to be immune from having to deal with "The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend" types jumping on their bandwagon.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Check the composition of the the local government of these big cities where cops are killing people. You won't find many Republicans. Tear Gas Ted Wheeler is a Democrat. Ferguson birthed the BLM movement, and that was under Obama's administration.

Trump has undoubtedly made things worse by deploying feds, but the root issue is not a Republican problem. It's an American problem, and the liberals have no meaningful solutions. Liberals want to paint "black lives matter" on the roads and then give the cops more money. They have no solutions.

yes, I'm a leftist, not a lib. I'm not an anarchist, probably more a mewling dem-soc type.
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Okay, that makes sense.
 
Emily's Cat said:
No... that's not the progression. More like:

1: Cops murder a black guy already in custody and it's completely abhorrent
2: People protest
3: People continue to protest and people start setting things on fire
4: Cops respond to arson and looting by telling people to go home
5: People object and get combative with police
6: Police overreact and use LTL out of proportion
7: People protest some more
8: Police mostly withdraw, try to defuse
9: People in some specific areas will not stop protesting and there continues to be violence, arson, and looting
10: Media (both organized and social) continue to present stories as "cops are bad protesters are peaceful" and downplay or censor reports that show violent actors involved that aren't law enforcement
11: Media (both organized and social) continuously frame the issue as partisan, assigning every interaction as "right wing" or "left wing" narratives
11: Rinse and repeat for three months
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Start to question: Who benefits from keeping this level of unrest going? Who benefits from driving a partisan schism? If this erupts into civil war, who gains?
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Neither of these have been a prerequisite for police escalating the violence. The police have become violent whenever the populace has failed to obey them, and it hasn’t mattered in the slightest of those orders were just or lawful. This is not about laws or order and never has been. It’s about obedience

As a supposed Libertarian, one would think you would against a system where the government can demand instant and complete obedience from the population and enforce those demands with violence when the population doesn’t comply.
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Start to question: Who benefits from keeping this level of unrest going? Who benefits from driving a partisan schism? If this erupts into civil war, who gains?
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Who benefits from the unrest when pro-democracy protestors clash with Chinese police?

Truth be told we won’t know who benefits until it’s over. What we do know is what each side if fighting for. The police are fighting for their authority to make people obey them, while the protestors are fighting for the freedom to not have to obey.
 
Bogative said:
The good news is it will be less likely for him to continue beatng women, sexually assaulting people, resisting arrest and fighting with cops now. But, the chances of him continuing to participate in gunplay while at the bar remains high.
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Let me know if you find any articles about that cop that got bricked in the head on the first night of riots. Curious how he's doing.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I was under the impression that the portland cops stepped back from LTL and tried to de-escalate prior to the feds stepping in.
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PPB was subject to an injunction intended to limit their overuse of tear gas. There seems to have been a brief reduction in the gassing until the cops just started using the loophole of declaring a riot every night.

Robert Evans is a respected journalist and has been covering the Portland protests nearly every night.

Nothing in his coverage here indicates that the PPB ever made any serious attempts to de-escalate:

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2020/07/20/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-battle-of-portland/
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Portland PD has fired so much tear gas in the streets there are now questions about the environment impact. Eventually the gas (actually an aerosol) settles and makes its way into the sewer system, which eventually leads to the Willamette River.
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Maybe the Retard Brigade could stop attacking the police, then the police wouldn't be forced to use gas. Environmental concerns go away.
 
Bogative said:
Maybe the Retard Brigade could stop attacking the police, then the police wouldn't be forced to use gas. Environmental concerns go away.
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Use of a mental slur really helps your case.
 
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Black Lives Matter Protester Shot While Marching Through Pennsylvania

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/black-lives-matter-protester-shot-pennsylvania_n_5f45441dc5b60c7ec416ce79

The 27-minute video, posted to Facebook by activist Frank Nitty, shows the Wisconsin-based protesters — who are in the middle of a 750-mile march from Milwaukee to Washington, D.C. — standing on a road in Schellsburg, Pennsylvania, a little before midnight.

Near the end of the video, two white men can be seen standing in front of a nearby house. One of them appears to be holding a gun. Multiple gunshots can then be heard in the video, as Nitty and other activists scramble and duck into the nearby cars that were accompanying them on their march.
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Check the composition of the the local government of these big cities where cops are killing people. You won't find many Republicans. Tear Gas Ted Wheeler is a Democrat. Ferguson birthed the BLM movement, and that was under Obama's administration.

Trump has undoubtedly made things worse by deploying feds, but the root issue is not a Republican problem. It's an American problem, and the liberals have no meaningful solutions. Liberals want to paint "black lives matter" on the roads and then give the cops more money. They have no solutions.

yes, I'm a leftist, not a lib. I'm not an anarchist, probably more a mewling dem-soc type.





Perhaps, but that's a side show. America's enemies have been pointing out the hypocrisy of the "free world" mistreatment of its black population for over a hundred years. While it may be a useful barb at the hands of malicious foreign powers, it's 100% a home-grown problem that needs a domestic focused solution.

Foreign powers have very little power to drive this issue. It's all in the hands of the cops and the communities they police.
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People lower on the socioeconomic scale are at more risk from just about anything else that is wrong. A couple years r even a couple decades may not be enough time fix the fact that African Americans are more likely to be harmed by Authoritarian police of COVID-19, that doesn’t mean we should just ignore the problem.

The fact is that in most cases the police have earned the mistrust that is being directed at them, not individually but as a whole organization. It will take time to build that trust back up. In the meantime, however, demanding more obedience can’t be the response to protests that were triggered by excessive authoritarianism in policing.
 
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