Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

ponderingturtle said:
They do and they don't lose their jobs when they report troubling actions and speech by others. Rather unlike the police who make sure such undesirable rats are driven out.

If you really want to do the comparison you should at least pick a self selected group like Hezbollah to show the good and bad apples.

Show me the cops arresting another cop for shooting a baton round into someones head fracturing their skull. We have lots of incidents of that to choose from clearly these non bastard cops must be doing something about the bastards who think it is just funny to do that.

Never a non bastard cop around when there is a cop around for some reason.
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Saying more things without logic or evidence is not a defense of the first things that you said without logic or evidence. Time to move on.
 
100 good cops lined up to wish Officer Bologna well as he turned himself in for felony aggravated assault for beating a protester in the head with a metal baton.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/joseph-bologna-charges-philly-police-assault-charges-bail-larry-krasner-john-mcnesby-20200608.html

Bologna was charged Friday with aggravated assault for allegedly cracking the Temple University student’s head open and leaving him with a gash that required about 10 staples and 10 sutures to close. On Monday, the officer turned himself in, cheered on by supporters gathered outside the union headquarters who clapped and shouted “good job” as he passed.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/10/philadelphia-joseph-bologna-suspended/
 
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I am willing to accept that there are good cops in the US. I would like to see a situation where a cop is acting like a bastard and another cop substantially intervenes (moving the knee of your colleague who were sitting on the neck of a protester in front of TV-cameras doesn't count) and then a narrative of what happened to that good cop.
 
carlitos said:
Saying more things without logic or evidence is not a defense of the first things that you said without logic or evidence. Time to move on.
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And your support for that merely shooting someone in the face with a baton round against training and useage is not enough to make a cop a bastard that the non bastard cops would need to act against is clear.

What does it take to make a cop enough of a bastard that the majority of cops who are not bastards will stand up to them, this way we can separate normal cop behavior like lying on police reports and being found out by video, from the acts of actual bastard cops.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
100 good cops lined up to wish Officer Bologna well as he turned himself in for felony aggravated assault for beating a protester in the head with a metal baton.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/joseph-bologna-charges-philly-police-assault-charges-bail-larry-krasner-john-mcnesby-20200608.html



https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/10/philadelphia-joseph-bologna-suspended/
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Clearly this shows that none of them can be considered bastard cops and that such an interaction with a protester is normal police behavior, and not the actions of some hypothetical bastard.
 
uke2se said:
Many Muslims try and not an analogous situaion. Bad analogy.
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It's a very good analogy for the thread overall, though. One reason why it's easy to Defund the NYPD is that their massive muslim surveillance has uncovered a grand total of 0 leads.

Main reason? Turns out other muslims will eagerly report someone who has become radicalized, all on their own. They simply aren't interested in being in the same mosque as some violent lunatic. No wild police action needed, no need to teargas the mosque and the entire street it's located on. Just arrest the one jerk, problem solved.

slowly turns and stares at people screeching about how nobody would ever do this in, say, a protest, with a grin
 
uke2se said:
This narrative that Floyd died from an overdose, where is it coming from? Is it Nazi propaganda out of 4-chan or is it simply racist conservative morons spinning themselves on Twitter? I mean, we have two autopsy reports that describe Floyds death as resulting from the actions of the Police - even the first one, which was quite clearly sanitized to avoid culpability. It smells like Chuds are attempting historical revisionism, but I can't understand the purpose.
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It's the usual desperate need to see the black guy as responsible for it's own death - much like the use of the Brute stereotype is often employed in cases where the black guy was very clearly attacked on camera (see: Trayvon Martin, Freddie Grey, Eric Garner, Ahmaud Arbery - and women like Aiyanna Stanley-Jones and Breonna Taylor supposedly starring as collateral damage).

Emphasis on the pronouns used - part of this desperate fear is the view of black people as innately subhuman. That's why I don't engage with that sort of garbage - I personally feel no need to argue my own humanity with internet dimwits and white supremacists, any more than I feel any further need to argue with a Black Hebrew Israelite or any other bigot who spends his free time yelling racist crap on street corners. Feel free if you want to, of course. Just be warned, their worldview demands they believe it no matter the cost to themselves.
 
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Mumbles said:
It's the usual desperate need to see the black guy as the Hulking, drug-fueled brute that was, in the end, responsible for it's own death.

Emphasis on the pronouns used - part of this desperate fear is the view of black people as innately subhuman. That's why I don't engage with that sort of garbage - I personally feel no need to argue my own humanity with internet dimwits and white supremacists, any more than I feel any further need to argue with a Black Hebrew Israelite or any other bigot who spends his free time yelling on street corners. Feel free if you want to, of course. Just be warned, their worldview demands they believe it no matter the cost to themselves.
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Schrodinger's black man. Simultaneously super-human in strength and pain resistance, requiring extreme force to apprehend, but also inherently fragile, thus making the cops not responsible for in custody deaths.

Maybe an extremely fit, sober George Floyd could have survived another half minute with his neck compressed. Given that he was strangled even after obviously losing consciousness and going into cardiac arrest, I fail to see how that would have mattered.
 
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Craig4 said:
You are incorrect. Both autopsies said Floyd died from homicide, death at the hands of another.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...sy-and-the-structural-gaslighting-of-america/

This article will explain your error well. He would not be dead but for the knee at his neck.
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It's funny that this article describes the idea of a drug overdose as "gaslighting", given that it was written before the full bodycam video was released. That right there is your gaslighting.
 
carlitos said:
You're doing parody here, right?
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If that was bad behavior then with all the well documented instances of it surely there must have been police of the non bastard type there to arrest the cop for assault with a deadly weapon. The fact that this does not happen shows a support for this behavior and acceptance of it. Why shouldn't that extend to you like all the non bastard cops who laugh along with it? Don't worry endorsing it doesn't make you a bastard apparently.
 
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It's funny that this article describes the idea of a drug overdose as "gaslighting", given that it was written before the full bodycam video was released. That right there is your gaslighting.
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Unless body cams can detect blood chemistry, we still await your evidence of "massive overdose" causing Mr. Floyd's death.
 
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uke2se said:
This narrative that Floyd died from an overdose, where is it coming from? Is it Nazi propaganda out of 4-chan or is it simply racist conservative morons spinning themselves on Twitter? I mean, we have two autopsy reports that describe Floyds death as resulting from the actions of the Police - even the first one, which was quite clearly sanitized to avoid culpability. It smells like Chuds are attempting historical revisionism, but I can't understand the purpose.
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It seems to be the usual over-simplification of a complex matter, often by attacking some person or single incident.

Global warming? No. Al Gore has a mansion, see, and Greta Thunberg is just a confused teen who's being brainwashed and exploited by her parents and their agents.

Anti-racism protests all over the Western world? Oh, they're all just sore 'cause some criminal black guy overdosed and they think the cops killed him. See, no big deal :) .
 
By extension, it reminds me of how other less-than-serious groups smear individuals to try to discredit complex theories or narratives.

The theory of evolution? Hey, did you know Darwin was a racist?
 
For what little it's worth. Here is the original autopsy report. It seems to have been removed, so I had to go to Google cache to get it:
https://webcache.googleusercontent....2020-3700_Floyd.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

It doesn't look as if the autopsy either confirms or refutes the claims about neck compression being the cause of death. There is quite a bit of detail about them looking for signs of injury to the neck and not finding it, maybe I've skimmed past something?

I wouldn't know whether the toxicology in the report would be a massive overdose or not. There seems to be quite the mixture in his system.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
From the article
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Yup. The mag mile has been targeted variously with carjackings, "flash mob" groups of rampaging youths, smash & grab robberies, looting during BLM protests, and now more opportunistic looting and vandalism. If the city can't figure this out, someday it might look like rich shopping streets in the third world, with machine-gun toting guards and secure store entryways.
 
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