Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

Ziggurat said:
The only reform that should lead to is wider deployment of naloxone to law enforcement to treat opioid overdose. Floyd couldn't breathe because he had overdosed on Fentanyl, and he was saying that before the cops even touched him. The cops didn't kill Floyd, he killed himself. I assume by accident, but it was still his own drug use which killed him.
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:boggled: Can't tell if serious...
 
Did you know that you can die from having your throat cut while you're having a heart attack?

Edit: Doesn't make the throat-slitter any less of a murderer.
 
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Silly Green Monkey said:
Did you know that you can die from having your throat cut while you're having a heart attack?

Edit: Doesn't make the throat-slitter any less of a murderer.
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You can, but that isn’t what happened. His trouble breathing started before he was restrained. The restraint didn’t impair his breathing any further. How do we know? Because he was still able to speak. If you can speak, your airway isn’t obstructed. His breathing troubles weren’t because of the restraint, but because of the drugs.

The full body cam video should have been released at the start of all this. That it wasn’t is damning to whoever made the decision not to. That decision is responsible for a lot of chaos and likely more than a few deaths.
 
You are completely, utterly full of crap. Please post this “fentanyl overdose” evidence and prove me wrong. Preferably in the right thread. Thank you.
 
Ziggurat said:
Because he was still able to speak. If you can speak, your airway isn’t obstructed.
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That's only true if there's an object lodged in your airway. If someone's (or something) pressing on you, speaking indicates that you can breathe out. Like a constrictor snake, prey can't hold its breath forever and if you ensure that your victim can't breathe back in, you've already killed them. You need only wait for them to stop moving.
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
That's only true if there's an object lodged in your airway. If someone's (or something) pressing on you, speaking indicates that you can breathe out. Like a constrictor snake, prey can't hold its breath forever and if you ensure that your victim can't breathe back in, you've already killed them. You need only wait for them to stop moving.
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That might be true of chest compression. But the cop wasn’t pressing on his chest, but his neck.

And btw, constrictor snakes don’t kill by stopping their prey from breathing. They do it by stopping blood flow to vital organs, leading to cardiac arrest. That didn’t happen to Floyd either. If blood flow to the brain had been shut off, he would have passed out almost immediately.
 
carlitos said:
You are completely, utterly full of crap. Please post this “fentanyl overdose” evidence and prove me wrong. Preferably in the right thread. Thank you.
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Well, you might not like the source, but here's one column that explains:

https://pjmedia.com/columns/jack-du...dy-camera-videos-keys-to-an-acquittal-n758389

The autopsy also notes Floyd’s hypertensive condition and “severe” arteriosclerotic heart disease, and the presence of both fentanyl and methamphetamine in his blood. Either of these drugs can cause arrhythmias even in an otherwise healthy person, and when this case is heard in court the defense will surely produce medical experts who will testify that Floyd’s heart conditions, drug use, and resistance to being placed in the police car combined to put the fatal strain on his heart.
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Puppycow said:
Well, you might not like the source, but here's one column that explains:



https://pjmedia.com/columns/jack-du...dy-camera-videos-keys-to-an-acquittal-n758389
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An opinion column notes that he had the drug in his system. So does everyone wearing a fentanyl patch for pain management. That is not a drug overdose.

ETA - nor is it a “massive overdose”

Ziggurat said:
Have you seen the recently released body can footage of how the encounter started? Have you read about the toxicology results?



Floyd died of an overdose. A massive overdose.
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People who are having a “massive overdose” don’t go shopping or survive for 9 minutes while being knelt on.
 
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This narrative that Floyd died from an overdose, where is it coming from? Is it Nazi propaganda out of 4-chan or is it simply racist conservative morons spinning themselves on Twitter? I mean, we have two autopsy reports that describe Floyds death as resulting from the actions of the Police - even the first one, which was quite clearly sanitized to avoid culpability. It smells like Chuds are attempting historical revisionism, but I can't understand the purpose.
 
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Puppycow said:
Why should good cops be blamed for the actions of a few bad apples?
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Because the bad apples in the cops world is the rats not those say planting evidence that is always fine with good cops. And they do a good job at keep rats out of their departments.

You just have to remember that the good cops are the violent ones, they are the ones who get elected to police union office and promoted.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Sensationalism bias. Nothing sells like a scandal.
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As opposed to non scandals like officers who record themselves planting evidence still being cops. Nothing wrong with that, it is the rats who are the problem after all. They get sent to mental hospitals.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I feel like the conversation shifted somewhere along the way. You asked:

I gave an answer to that.

There's a problem with the justice system in the US, definitely. But the reason that so many people have the impression that ALL COPPERS ARE BASTARDS isn't because of their own person experiences with cops. It's because they are shown cops being bastards on a regular basis, even if that isn't actually representative of the behavior of the majority of police.
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How come these hypothetical non bastard cops never step up and stop the bastard ones? Clearly not all the cops standing around while George Floyd was being killed were bastards they must have had good cops among them too right?

The real answer is that the worst of them are constantly enabled by the rest, and when someone tries to actual hold the utter bastards accountable they are the ones who lose their job.
 
ponderingturtle said:
How come these hypothetical non bastard cops never step up and stop the bastard ones? Clearly not all the cops standing around while George Floyd was being killed were bastards they must have had good cops among them too right?

The real answer is that the worst of them are constantly enabled by the rest, and when someone tries to actual hold the utter bastards accountable they are the ones who lose their job.
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Why, that almost sounds like there's a problem with the system. A... systematic problem, if you will.
 
ponderingturtle said:
How come these hypothetical non bastard cops never step up and stop the bastard ones? Clearly not all the cops standing around while George Floyd was being killed were bastards they must have had good cops among them too right?

The real answer is that the worst of them are constantly enabled by the rest, and when someone tries to actual hold the utter bastards accountable they are the ones who lose their job.
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Don't be hyperbolic, they dont all get fired.

Sometimes the cops will raid your home and have you illegally committed to a psychiatric ward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft#Raid_and_involuntary_commitment
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Don't be hyperbolic, they dont all get fired.

Sometimes the cops will raid your home and have you illegally committed to a psychiatric ward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft#Raid_and_involuntary_commitment
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That is fine, remember it isn't like the cops who did that ever went to prison for such illegal detentions. Like when a cop flips out and shoots a black person it is not a crime just a civil judgement for everyone to pay, you can't hold the police accountable that wouldn't be right.
 
your argument is ridiculous, illustrated:

ponderingturtle said:
How come these hypothetical non bastard cops never step up and stop the bastard ones? Clearly not all the cops standing around while George Floyd was being killed were bastards they must have had good cops among them too right?

The real answer is that the worst of them are constantly enabled by the rest, and when someone tries to actual hold the utter bastards accountable they are the ones who lose their job.
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How come these hypothetical non-terrorist Muslims never step up and stop the terrorist ones? Clearly not all the Muslims standing around while [Daniel Pearl / disco dancers in Bali / World Trade Center Workers on 9/11] were being killed were terrorists they must have had good Muslims among them too right?

The real answer is that the worst of them are constantly enabled by the rest, and when someone tries to actually hold the terrorists accountable they are the ones who lose their heads.
 
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carlitos said:
How come these hypothetical non-terrorist Muslims never step up and stop the terrorist ones? Clearly not all the Muslims standing around while [Daniel Pearl / disco dancers in Bali / World Trade Center Workers on 9/11] were being killed were terrorists they must have had good Muslims among them too right?
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They do and they don't lose their jobs when they report troubling actions and speech by others. Rather unlike the police who make sure such undesirable rats are driven out.

If you really want to do the comparison you should at least pick a self selected group like Hezbollah to show the good and bad apples.

Show me the cops arresting another cop for shooting a baton round into someones head fracturing their skull. We have lots of incidents of that to choose from clearly these non bastard cops must be doing something about the bastards who think it is just funny to do that.

Never a non bastard cop around when there is a cop around for some reason.
 
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