Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

portlandatheist said:
Just to address this one point for a moment. We went through quite a profound and pronounced period of urban revitalization from 1995-2000 ish. We built a light rail system. We built the Eastbank Esplanade and many other walking/biking access. We completely transformed the Pearl District from a drug trafficers paradise to some of the most desirable real estate in the city. We had great zoning laws to make downtown retail and restaurant friendly as possible. Sorry for a bit of a distraction but this is a real concern of many people living here.
Downtown Portland businesses, derailed by pandemic, say protests present a new challenge[Oregon live article]
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That article is just tragic. I grew up next to Portland, and I remember all of those amazing improvements you are talking about. For me, the heart of the city has always been Powells Books. It has always been such a fun and quirky city where people really care and help each other.

I completely understand the hesitation of people to visit the city though. I am going to be down in the area next month, and am unsure where in the city it is safe. 23rd is probably OK, and the waterfront on the opposite side near OMSI, plus the Rose Gardens of course. I bet they are beautiful this time of year. That article just makes me want to visit and support a city that I love.

It really is sad to see people turn on each other and attack that beautiful city. It will come back to its height and better. It just needs some time to heal.
 
portlandatheist said:
Just to address this one point for a moment. We went through quite a profound and pronounced period of urban revitalization from 1995-2000 ish. We built a light rail system. We built the Eastbank Esplanade and many other walking/biking access. We completely transformed the Pearl District from a drug trafficers paradise to some of the most desirable real estate in the city. We had great zoning laws to make downtown retail and restaurant friendly as possible. Sorry for a bit of a distraction but this is a real concern of many people living here.
Downtown Portland businesses, derailed by pandemic, say protests present a new challenge[Oregon live article]
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There have been a few reported cases in Portland where Antifa/blak clad Anarchists have stalked people for long times including to their homes. It happened to the black protester the other day who was sitting on the steps with an American flag asking the protesters there not to be violent. A pretty serious offense to them apparently.

In this case according to his account, the guy kept stalking him and his friends, and when he tried to deescalate and talk to the guy, he stabbed him with a long knife in his kidney. Than people started to get raucous when the police showed up.


That kind of crap should definitely not be winning the hearts and minds of people, but the sad reality of this Country is that it still does.
 
HoverBoarder said:
There have been a few reported cases in Portland where Antifa/blak clad Anarchists have stalked people for long times including to their homes. It happened to the black protester the other day who was sitting on the steps with an American flag asking the protesters there not to be violent. A pretty serious offense to them apparently.

In this case according to his account, the guy kept stalking him and his friends, and when he tried to deescalate and talk to the guy, he stabbed him with a long knife in his kidney. Than people started to get raucous when the police showed up.


That kind of crap should definitely not be winning the hearts and minds of people, but the sad reality of this Country is that it still does.
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Black lives matter, except when the black life is standing in the way of a white radical. There's a bit about that in this terrific photo essay:

A deli operated by a Somali man in Minneapolis remained fully boarded up with bullet holes still visible in the partially shattered windows — caused by shots fired from an armed private security force that was summoned to protect businesses during the peak of the riots. (Residents recall with astonishment that Minneapolis Police were essentially nowhere to be found as the destruction unfolded.) According to this man, who like many others did not want to be formally interviewed, the majority of those who wreaked havoc on his establishment were white. Note that scrawled onto the plywood boarding up the Somali man’s shop is the classic anarchist “A” symbol, popular among white left-wing activists.
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An open question is who actually initiated the arson attacks in Minneapolis. According to multiple accounts relayed to me, those who instigated these most extreme acts of destruction appeared to be white left-wing activists who were not from the area. This then consumed municipal resources and created a vacuum that enabled a portion of the local, largely black and minority populations to engage in opportunistic looting — hence the distinction I mentioned earlier. Here’s an account from a young man, Matthew, who took part in the riot at the Third Police Precinct building, which was the Ground Zero for rioting in Minneapolis. Among other observations, he remarks that those who carried out the arson attacks were exclusively white — at least according to his own first-hand observations — and at certain points, says he witnessed non-white business owners warding off white rioters.
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Looking at the photos I wonder if I should have invested in plywood stocks; sure looks like business is booming.
 
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I went into downtown Portland Saturday night to join the protest.

What I saw was mostly people protesting very peacefully.

95% of the people I saw were wearing masks.

Yep, lots of white people, Portland is VERY white with a long history of white supremacy.
But, most of the white people I saw were deferring to black voices.

I saw one woman being rushed to the medic tent, her hands were hurt pretty badly, I don't know from what and I got a little taste of tear gas.

At that point I had to leave for two reasons. 1) I had taken the Max train and I had to catch the last train before I would have been stuck down there all night and 2) as it turns out I'm a big chicken ****.
 
Brainster said:
Black lives matter, except when the black life is standing in the way of a white radical. There's a bit about that in this terrific photo essay:



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Looking at the photos I wonder if I should have invested in plywood stocks; sure looks like business is booming.
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Another good observation from the piece:

Seldom acknowledged is that a large segment of black residents in urban areas over a certain age — and particularly recent immigrants from the Caribbean and Africa — are more-or-less small “c” conservative in their social and political attitudes. In general, they are far more outwardly repulsed by riots that ravaged their neighborhoods than the activist media liberals and leftists who so eagerly imbued these riots with some kind of coherent, obviously virtuous political meaning — a meaning that was evidently not apparent to many of the people who actually live in the affected areas. It should be noted that this “small c” conservative reaction by local minority populations doesn’t in any way mean that they would be motivated to support the Republican Party or Donald Trump — as Trump is also widely seen as an agent of chaos in his own right, who exacerbates Culture War animosities rather than alleviates them. But their baseline aversion toward Trump doesn’t negate that their sentiments diverge extremely sharply from self-appointed left/liberal journalists and activists who often claim to speak on their behalf. (For example, they were almost uniformly supportive of the deployment of National Guard to quell the chaos — unlike journalists and activists, who tend to portray the deployment of military forces to urban areas as an unambiguous sign of fascist terror.)


The people who will live with the consequences of this behavior are considerably less enthusiastic about it than the white suburban kids coming in to throw a bottle, take a selfie, and get their "I Protested" sticker.
 
https://thepostmillennial.com/radio...l-then-rioters-torched-his-apartment-building

A radio host mocked Trump, and said that the protests were peaceful. "walked through it last night out of curiosity, and saw no burning, pillaging, or deaths. Chill dawg."


Than rioters destroyed his apartment building. He commented that Police told him know to stay away from the building at the moment, as there might still be explosives inside.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1287284351776878592

Now he is saying "I feel like I need to buy a firearm right now, because clearly this is going to keep happening. Enough is enough."


The whole situation is pretty tragic, and the fact that rioters are running around throwing explosives, and you still have people defending them is even worse. However, it's hard not to find situation like this at least a little funny.
 
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"Destroyed his apartment building" apparently means the Starbucks on the ground floor had the windows broken.

The Post Millennial, never change baby!
 
TahiniBinShawarma said:
Oh that makes it ok then.
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I mean, if you want to talk about shop front vandalism, that's fine.

It's dishonest that moderate vandalism is being conflated to mean that a gang of anarchists is turning the entire city into a ThunderDome. Curious that you rely on a news outlet that is widely regarded as a willful platform for misinformation.

wikipedia said:
(The post millennial) has been criticized for releasing misinformation and articles written by fake personas,[1] for employing an editor with ties to white supremacist-platforming and pro-Kremlin media outlets,[2] and for opaque funding and political connections.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Post_Millennial

Literally a propaganda shop, but let it rip chief.

The cops in Portland cracked a mans skull with a rubber bullet for the crime of holding a stereo above his head in the streets. He likely will have permanent brain injury. This is one of a number of permanent injuries caused by police who are clearly intentionally misusing "less lethal" ballistic weapons to maim.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/1130916/portland-protest-man-shot-face-cops-gruesome-vid/

I hope the Starbucks window is ok.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
"Destroyed his apartment building" apparently means the Starbucks on the ground floor had the windows broken.

The Post Millennial, never change baby!
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I know, right, and what an overreaction from the radio host! I mean, he's a nice, liberal guy, supported the protests and a few broken windows (not even his windows) later, he sounds like a Trump supporter.

Hmmm.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Our thoughts and prayers go to Starbucks in these trying times. They've already taken the wallets.
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I threw a few dollars to a Go Fund Me for Mr. Starbuck, he's having a rough time and this little boutique coffee shop is what puts food on his family's table.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I threw a few dollars to a Go Fund Me for Mr. Starbuck, he's having a rough time and this little boutique coffee shop is what puts food on his family's table.
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Nice guy. He's an immigrant too, I hear, a generation or so removed. They moved here from Caprica, I believe.
 
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I told my neighbors these weren't riots in Seattle. A 'riot' is what happened in LA, Watts, and Detroit.

Now they are all "see, see, the police declared what was happening in Seattle a riot".

Turns out the police needed to do that in order to meet the court's exception to a council/mayor order so the police could use tear gas and flash bangs.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I told my neighbors these weren't riots in Seattle. A 'riot' is what happened in LA, Watts, and Detroit.

Now they are all "see, see, the police declared what was happening in Seattle a riot".

Turns out the police needed to do that in order to meet the court's exception to a council/mayor order so the police could use tear gas and flash bangs.
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What is the word for the destruction and looting that occasionally takes place after a sports victory?
A protest?
 
Mike! said:
Depends on who won. Sometimes it's just played off as a "rowdy celebration".
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A "few isolated individuals" engaged in "excessive enthusiasm" and "unfortunately" committed "acts of public disorder"

They were given "citations" and then "released shortly thereafter."

The contrast might be made a little clearer if they provided a free trip to Burger King.
 
Rep. Gym Jordan dishonestly presented a carefully edited video during Barr's appearance today showing violent protests with reporters saying "peaceful protests". The video did not show the complete sentences which did cover the violence. It's not surprising that a scumbag like Jordan would blatantly lie like this; he's learned from the best.
 
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