Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

Pro-BLM protesters have not been required to observe curfew either for the most part. Most probably because, aside from unaccompanied minors, there isn't one; Mayor Wheeler tried it for a couple days back at the beginning of June. It proved...impractical.

I'm pretty sure I know the history a great deal better than you, kid. I've no idea what sort of drivel you consider to be history. Are you referring to this so-called controversy?

How about the FBI investigations and reports over the years saying there are active partnerships between right wing militias and police departments?
They have been expressing their concerns about this for years.
They even tell their agents to expect police right wing militias to be in cooperation and to guard their investigations accordingly when working with some police depts.
 
A black peaceful protester of one was videoed sneakily running up behind a white man who was walking down the sidewalk and smashing him in the back of the head with a large rock.

The white guy falls face first, unconscious directly onto the concrete sidewalk. The black guy runs away.

In the video, two oppressed minorities are heard laughing and giggling and having a good old time about a crime that could easily have been deadly.

Tagline in the uploaders account says "whitelivesdontmatter".


Walking down the street while white.
 
My facebook feed is filled with memes related to the last two men Rittenhouse shot that day; the idea that attacking people at a riot gets you shot. Not much about the Rosenbaum death.

If Rittenhouse's lawyer can convince the jury (if no plea taken) that the 1st shooting was self defense, then he might be able to claim self defense on the later two shootings. Otherwise this kid is going away for a long time.

Ranb

Of course he is getting off, he has been declaired a hero of the right and all gun owners. He has raised over a quarter of a million from people who like what he did. This is the future of american discourse.
 
Wow. She actually wrote a book called In Defense of Looting. Beam me up Scotty!

Yep it is like there was some kind of famous event celebrated in american history that loved looting and destruction of property. Oh yea the boston tea party, no on supports those criminal thugs in that.
 
Skyler Noel Jernigan (27) has been arrested in relations to shots fired during August 15th's "flag wave" event

Multiple witnesses named Skyler as the shooter

The charges are,
- DISCHRG FA IN CITY
- MENACING
- RECK ENDANGER

Read more by @1misanthrophile
https://t.co/iUAu5oVo62 https://t.co/nQSFAUNGT7

Right winger seen firing gun into protest crowd finally arrested and charged.



https://twitter.com/defendpdx/status/1296225209347747841?s=19


One wonders if the most recent shooting ever would have happened had cops intervened during the weeks of escalating violence driven by right wing extremists.
 
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It's always the same play-book:

1. Opression of minorities.

2. Protests about the opression

3. Heavy response to protests

4. Token reparations to opressed minorities

5. Nobody is punished for original crime, and no changes are made to the system

6. Riots in response to nothing happening

7. Heavy response to riots

8. Official narrative that riots and looting are the problems, as opposed to the original injustice.

Same thing as with Rodney King.
 
There are a couple videos embedded in this article showing these right wing groups doing exactly that, with apparent impunity from law enforcement.

Why would the cops interfere with friendlies like that? Of course the cops sanction this activity. Hell there are plenty of off duty cops as part of it, why limit the fun to when on duty after all?
 
There's a bit more to it than that. Like...untold reams of social media filtering out key details, such as aggressions committed by the narrating political side; resulting in a manufactured sense of grievance before any confrontation even begins. Stemming from or coupled with obscene levels of hypocrisy where opposing sociopolitical groups are held collectively responsible for the actions of a minority whereas the misdeeds of allied sociopolitical groups are dismissed as the actions of a minority (aka a few bad apples).

Yep. And it results in craziness, and then someone dies. Hopefully it goes down from there, but sometimes things go up from those points. "Up" is a very bad direction if the current point is "one person dead."

I'll bring up something I first ran across a couple of months ago. I was listening to NPR and they had a guest on who was researching the current state of American political life, and the apparent divisions in America. What she found in her research was that there were people on the far right and there were people on the far left, and mostly there were a whole bunch of people in the middle.

That's pretty unsurprising, right? If everyone was on the far right or far left, they wouldn't be "far" anything. They would just be right and left. The interesting part of her research was how people perceived "the other side", these days. People on the center-left, when describing people on the right, would always describe people on the far right. The same was true of people on the right.

So, a mildly conservative person would say that there were leftist hordes trying to undermine the foundation of the country, and a mildly liberal person would say that the Republicans were out to subjugate women and minorities and create a dictatorship.

Everyone is sure that they and their friends are the only reasonable people in the room.

I don't know exactly what causes that problem, and I certainly don't know how to fix it. I know that it's reinforced by partisan media where for hours on end people are fed a diet of "the other side is crazy". Certainly Donald Trump bears some responsibility for also feeding that, but I don't think Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi can get off completely without blame here either. Congressional leaders don't have anywhere near the bully pulpit that the president does, but if they would go out of their way to act like adults instead of fanning the flames, it couldn't hurt.
 
I think looking at the self defense claims related to the two recent shootings are interesting and illuminating but it mostly seems to be about who's side one is on.
 
I think looking at the self defense claims related to the two recent shootings are interesting and illuminating but it mostly seems to be about who's side one is on.

Indeed. Doesn't stop lot of people from taking strong opinions. Sure, waiting for the court would take too long. But waiting one week could change the perspective.

Those two shootings have something in common. People coming to join the riots. The young guy might be eventually freed of murder charges, if self-defense is well supported. But it's clear it was stupid as hell to even be there. The Portland guy seemed to come right out looking for trouble. He still might end up as murder victim, but that's where escalation leads to.

I'm not saying the riots were 'fine' before and they are getting out of hand now. They were pretty out of hand from the start. But it seems getting worse for sure.
 
Indeed. Doesn't stop lot of people from taking strong opinions. Sure, waiting for the court would take too long. But waiting one week could change the perspective.

Those two shootings have something in common. People coming to join the riots. The young guy might be eventually freed of murder charges, if self-defense is well supported. But it's clear it was stupid as hell to even be there. The Portland guy seemed to come right out looking for trouble. He still might end up as murder victim, but that's where escalation leads to.

I'm not saying the riots were 'fine' before and they are getting out of hand now. They were pretty out of hand from the start. But it seems getting worse for sure.

They have that, though it seems people find a plastic bag a serious threat required lethal force, but all the shooting paintball guns, spraying pepper spray and other irritants and so on are not a serious threat. The whole outsider coming in looking for trouble is fine with many because the one doing that is rightwing.
 
They have that, though it seems people find a plastic bag a serious threat required lethal force, but all the shooting paintball guns, spraying pepper spray and other irritants and so on are not a serious threat. The whole outsider coming in looking for trouble is fine with many because the one doing that is rightwing.

Well I would differentiate between 'looking for trouble' which seems what the Portland guy was doing, and 'defending property' which the you guy did (in his words). It is just the same in the end, but it has a sliver of good intention. And for all I've hear, those properties might have need protecting.
Such thing is not easily done without escalating the situation needlessly though, especially if you are inexperienced. Wisconsin also seems to be stricter in your right to do that, so it might have been illegal from the start. And obviously teen has no place in that.
 
The whole outsider coming in looking for trouble is fine with many because the one doing that is rightwing.
This seems a little bit of a stretch given that his mothers house is 20 miles drive away in Antioch. The skateboarder had to come about the same distance from Silverlake. The man who was shot in the arm had to come quite a bit further from West Allis.
 
I think looking at the self defense claims related to the two recent shootings are interesting and illuminating but it mostly seems to be about who's side one is on.

As far as I can tell, the key difference is that so-called conservatives (they're really radical authoritarians - socially conservative, but obsessed with their leader and Jim Crow-era social structures) tend to see any group of three or more black people as a "gang", and have stated outright that a black person posing for a photo, or walking home from a local store, or objecting to police mistreatment or brutality, means that he is a "thug". Oddly, they're always fine with armed white people blasting away wildly.
 
If you don't live anywhere near the location, are wholly ignorant of background events, dismiss opposing media out of hand, and accept social media narratives as truth without any sort of critical thought process I'm sure it does.

I live in Portland and I see the right-winger vigilantes. They're hooting and hollering while they drive the streets with their guns and mace. But I guess if you don't live anywhere near the location you might think otherwise.
 
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