Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

Maybe one day you'll figure out why it's no tragedy when armed fascists die violent deaths after a long history of organizing street violence.

Don't play coy. He wasn't "waking down the street".

Most protesters in that area were blm or antifa.
There seemed to be 2...."TWO".... "2" visible leftovers from the Trump rally found.- perhaps not even leftover as that rally was ALL in vehicles. But still..they were targeted as leftovers aka 'holdouts'. The audio is some indication dont you think?

SHOW ME DIFFERENT.
(and please do not make it some national crap...just this ONE incident PLEASE)
 
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Most protesters in that area were blm or antifa.
There seemed to be 2...."TWO".... "2" visible leftovers from the Trump rally found.- perhaps not even leftover as that rally was ALL in vehicles. But still..they were targeted as leftovers aka 'holdouts'. The audio is some indication dont you think?

SHOW ME DIFFERENT.
(and please do not make it some national crap...just this ONE incident PLEASE)
If it were me, I would simply not hang out alone in a city after spending the day terrorizing it as part of a brownshirt mob.
 
There are a couple videos embedded in this article showing these right wing groups doing exactly that, with apparent impunity from law enforcement.

What I see in the videos is two groups of people looking for a fight.

I see things thrown at cars. I see paintballs and mace coming from the cars. I can't see any action at all that meets the definition of "self defense", so I wish that cops would do their best to identify the perpetrators, on both sides, and issue some citations. I don't mean felony aggravated assault or anything just for some paintball crap, but a misdemeanor assault that could be pled down to "disturbing the peace" ought to be sufficient to say, "We're watching and we don't want you here." Peaceful demonstrations, fine, but leave the attitude at home, next to the pepper spray.

And "driving through crowds" is certainly a thing that is happening, but those crowds formed with the specific purpose of blocking a public street, specifically to prevent those cars from using that street. Seems like some more citations are in order. This sort of thing ends badly, and indeed in other videos that can be seen, as fistfights break out.

And I'm sure every idiot in the videos would say "He started it." In my opinion, that ought to work just as well as it always worked in the fifth grade.

These stupid fights all follow the pattern. Chest thumping by dumb males, each out to prove manhood or something. Escalation step by step. Eventual body contact, then full fistfight level and/or weapons produced. Most of the time it stops before someone dies. That happened in all but one of the incidents this weekend.

I want them all thrown in the klink for a few weekends, and sentence them to pick up some roadside trash, together. Make America beautiful again, team. Pick up some litter.
 
Maybe one day you'll figure out why it's no tragedy when armed fascists die violent deaths after a long history of organizing street violence.

Like it or not, when certain "death by police happen" there are a certain portion of individuals that will look at the victims past crimes and come to the same conclusion. At this point there will be justification when political affiliation and thought crimes are justification for any level of violence, but crimes of a far more significant nature should not be held against people.

Seems like it keeps being pointed out that this 'slippery slope' is happening but no one believes it until it's actually accepted as gospel. Being objective to it as soon to become a crime imagined as just as bad.

This is not to say certain outcomes aren't predictable. When these groups have continuously had their violent confrontations, many people have guessed correctly there will be an escalation that leads to deaths. That is not where people should be enthusiastically pushing this stuff to go. You don't want the groups that were showing up in large part for a fist fight now looking for a gun fight. You are not protecting anyone. It should be obvious when the fascists show up with 200 people in a city of millions that they aren't about to take over and begin killing minorities indiscriminately. It's not reality.
 
Yeah, that breaking point for a lot of people might be somewhere around the time that the police decided to abdicate their responsibility as enforcers of the law and allow unchecked right wing vigilantism in the streets.
Too bad that's complete bull ****.
 
These stupid fights all follow the pattern. Chest thumping by dumb males, each out to prove manhood or something. Escalation step by step. Eventual body contact, then full fistfight level and/or weapons produced. Most of the time it stops before someone dies. That happened in all but one of the incidents this weekend.
There's a bit more to it than that. Like...untold reams of social media filtering out key details, such as aggressions committed by the narrating political side; resulting in a manufactured sense of grievance before any confrontation even begins. Stemming from or coupled with obscene levels of hypocrisy where opposing sociopolitical groups are held collectively responsible for the actions of a minority whereas the misdeeds of allied sociopolitical groups are dismissed as the actions of a minority (aka a few bad apples).
 
Kinda looks like what's happening actually.
If you don't live anywhere near the location, are wholly ignorant of background events, dismiss opposing media out of hand, and accept social media narratives as truth without any sort of critical thought process I'm sure it does.
 
If you don't live anywhere near the location, are wholly ignorant of background events, dismiss opposing media out of hand, and accept social media narratives as truth without any sort of critical thought process I'm sure it does.

What's opposing media? I'm seeing what's happening in actual media, as opposed to right wing propaganda, if that's what you mean.
 
What's opposing media? I'm seeing what's happening in actual media, as opposed to right wing propaganda, if that's what you mean.
No, I mean dissenting sources. Examples would include the actual local media around here in Portland, links to which I've posted at various points upthread. Where was your "actual media" support for the narrative that
police decided to abdicate their responsibility as enforcers of the law and allow unchecked right wing vigilantism in the streets
again?
 
No, I mean dissenting sources. Examples would include the actual local media around here in Portland, links to which I've posted at various points upthread. Where was your "actual media" support for the narrative that again?

Well, there's the ongoing reports of cooperation between Portland police and various fascist actors, such as the Proud Boys. They seem quite chummy.
 
Well, there's the ongoing reports of cooperation between Portland police and various fascist actors, such as the Proud Boys. They seem quite chummy.
You mean like that supposedly fascist protest on August 22 where there were maybe 5 or 6 Proud Boys out of a crowd of hundreds? ONE of whom had a confirmed warrant for a parole violation over misdemeanor assault... (others there may have had worse before that event for all I know - but I've never once seen any evidence supporting or establishing such a fact). There were actual bonafide Antifa at that thing as well, in similar numbers. It's funny how the actual media never refer to these fascist hordes supposedly storming around Portland. "Far-right" sure, but then groups such as Libertarians and/or Evangelicals are also frequently referred to as "far-right" without directly correlating to fascism.

And chummy in what way precisely? Not arresting everyone and/or declaring a riot despite dealing with two other riots in a short period of time; whilst having about half the average number of sworn police officers of cities of comparable size BEFORE recent cuts in police funding?
https://www.wweek.com/news/city/2020/06/24/for-nearly-80-years-the-portland-police-association-has-wielded-power-in-a-town-that-doesnt-like-cops-that-power-is-now-under-siege/ said:
... Portland has far fewer sworn officers per capita than similarly sized cities. It's got about one-third the staffing per capita of cities in the Northeast and little more than half the national average of staffing in cities with populations of more than 250,000.
 
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You mean like that supposedly fascist protest on August 22 where there were maybe 5 or 6 Proud Boys out of a crowd of hundreds? ONE of whom had a confirmed warrant for a parole violation over misdemeanor assault... (others there may have had worse before that event for all I know - but I've never once seen any evidence supporting or establishing such a fact). There were actual bonafide Antifa at that thing as well, in similar numbers. It's funny how the actual media never refer to the fascist hordes. "Far-right" sure, but then groups such as Libertarians and/or Evangelicals are also frequently referred to as "far-right" without directly correlating to fascism.

And chummy in what way precisely? Not arresting everyone and/or declaring a riot despite dealing with two other riots in a short period of time; whilst having about half the average number of sworn police officers of cities of comparable size BEFORE recent cuts in police funding?

I thought you said you needed to know the history to understand this thing. I'm talking about earlier incidents where police have coordinated with Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer. Focus has been on an officer Lee who have exhanged text-messages with leaders of the Proud Boys. That police didn't arrest Toese is, of course, more evidence that they are chummy with the fascists.

As for the fascists and hang-arounds, if you willingly attend a fascist rally, you are a fascist, whether you call yourself one or not.
 
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More like the fact that consistently anti-BLM protesters are not required to observe curfew.

Among many other issues. Fact is, on a scale of 1 to 10 for quashing right-wing fanatics, far too many local police forces (as well as the goons that Dolt 45 sent in) earn a rating of "part of the right wing fanatical crowd", and aren't even on the number scale.
 
More like the fact that consistently anti-BLM protesters are not required to observe curfew.
Pro-BLM protesters have not been required to observe curfew either for the most part. Most probably because, aside from unaccompanied minors, there isn't one; Mayor Wheeler tried it for a couple days back at the beginning of June. It proved...impractical.

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I thought you said you needed to know the history to understand this thing. I'm talking about earlier incidents where police have coordinated with Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer. Focus has been on an officer Lee who have exhanged text-messages with leaders of the Proud Boys. That police didn't arrest Toese is, of course, more evidence that they are chummy with the fascists.
I'm pretty sure I know the history a great deal better than you, kid. I've no idea what sort of drivel you consider to be history. Are you referring to this so-called controversy?
 
I'm pretty sure I know the history a great deal better than you, kid. I've no idea what sort of drivel you consider to be history. Are you referring to this so-called controversy?

I'm not a kid, nor does your argument get better by acting smug and superior.

Yes, that is what I am talking about. It's nice that the police who are accused of being chummy with the fascists clear the police of allegations of being chummy with the fascists. That's a great example of skepticism.
 
Alan Swinney is captured on several videos committing numerous assaults with a paintball gun and club, capping off the day by brandishing a pistol in plain view of the police.

No arrest as of yet. If you think a BLM could engage in similar behavior without a strong police response, I have a bridge to sell you.

Proud boys planning another fash rally in Portland September 26th. The flyer name drops the dead fash and the kid accused of double murder, so you can guess what the tone of this rally will be.

We'll find out if PPB going to give fascists a free pass to start a brawl again.

https://twitter.com/WABlackFlag/status/1300295691948810248?s=19
 
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Here I am waiting for the cops to criticize these violent outside agitators. They literally mustered outside the city and drove in armed to the teeth for a brawl.

Trump supported them, he called them "GEAT PATRIOTS!". He tweeted in response to Jack Posobiec


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
GREAT PATRIOTS!
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Jack Posobiec
@JackPosobiec
MAGA is heading into Portland
 

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