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I'm changing my political affiliation. I no longer am a Democrat, nor would I be a Republican. I'm not a Libertarian, a Reform or a Bull Moose.


I want to start the "Don't be an A**Hole Party."

I've figured out that what I hate most about politics, is the A**hole factor (I'll call it the AF.)


I've seen it before, the AF is when someone politically bullies into the conversation, and drops a conversation bomb designed to get everyone either riled up to the point of an all-out screamfest, or drop into embarrassed silence. The AF offender declares victory, because obviously nobody speaks up to confront him. He then is emboldened to do it again and again.

I saw a relative of mine do this in mixed company at a wedding gathering. The groom was not around, but he is black. The bride and the bride's family was there, and the room was probably a 4-3 split of Republicans to Democrats. Only white people were present. So this relative sees a front page newspaper picture of Senator Kerry campaigning for the presidency speaking at an African-American church, and he busts out with his AF Bomb: "Black people in this country are so stupid and gullible. Every time they back the Democrats..."

Silence.

Perhaps he forgot about the groom being black. I know I did, he's such a close part of the family that it's very likely that he didn't consider that when he phrased his AF Bomb.

Anyway, he does that a lot, tossing the AF Bomb.


That's when I decided that the Anti A-hole party was for me.


So in declaration of the AA Party, here's a little diary by one of the Kossacks. You really need to read it on Daily Kos, because it's built with embedded links to the source of each of these quotes. All of these are accurate quotes by leading mainstream public voices of the Republican Party. But he's turned them on their heads, so it is a big long rant AT Republicans, calling them all the names they've been calling democrats.

It's a great big long rant, taking the juicyiest hate-filled AF Bombs the Right has wielded in the past year or so. It's a great survey of where the rhetoric has gone.

Sure, you can find Buck Fush bumperstickers and the like on the left, too. But aside from a hippy professor you never heard of in Colorado, this vitriol isn't coming from the mainstream left, or the public voices of the left.

For every Michael Moore or Barbara Striesand, there's 10 Ann Coulters, Michelle Malkins, O'Reilleys and Limbaughs and Hannitys etc....

Let the hatefest begin:




I've got something to say.

What we need are Democratic strongmen who will walk up to those conservatives in favor of the war and punch them in the face.

We need Janet Reno to find these hawks, have ATF agents with automatic weapons arrest them, and place them in an offshore prison where we can hold them without charges and declare them enemy combatants.

Maybe this is all too elaborate. Perhaps we should just drop bombs on their homes.

We do this because they are enraged at the prospect of being tolerant.

We do this because they are not real patriots.

We would rather hit them with baseball bats than talk to them.

It is easy to hate them, because they hate the military.

And their Presidential nominee, George Bush, is off his lithium. He's lost his mind. He's a mental patient. He's taken the side of the enemy. He's pulled his raft across the river of sanity. He's insane. He needs help. He needs medication. His biggest fans are Al-Aqaeda. He suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder. He is perverse.

And Bill O'Reilly is just like Goebbels.

And Osama Bin Laden will keynote the next Republican National convention.
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(Much more at the link.)

See the beauty of it with inline clickable quotes to find the original folks behind such bile:

http://chris-bowers.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/14/141747/345
 
Oh, and my .sig at the end of my posts is a response in a similar style to one such AF Bomb, the .sig of JREF poster BPSCG.

BPSCG, I'm glad you took your original down. It was a rant, and generally not up to your usual style and class. I'll assume it was you quoting someone else, and not in my opinion up to the level of your measured reasonability.

I'll leave it on mine for a couple more days, mostly in case someone on this thread cares to comment.


I think internet discussion has a higher tolerance for this kind of negative rolling rant. But it pollutes the public discourse immensely. And most of the quotes on that link above are from the broadcast and print media, where a supposedly more civil realm is presumed to apply. I would expect that those getting paid to say their ideas on television should actually do something OTHER than roll a bunch of sophistic cliches into a ball and hurl them.

Anyway, who's for the ANTI A-Hole party!?
 
Silicon said:
Oh, and my .sig at the end of my posts is a response in a similar style to one such AF Bomb, the .sig of JREF poster BPSCG.

BPSCG, I'm glad you took your original down. It was a rant, and generally not up to your usual style and class. I'll assume it was you quoting someone else, and not in my opinion up to the level of your measured reasonability.
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Of course it was me quoting someone else. Practically all of my sigs are. The only permanent one is from Benedict Spinoza.

Here's a new one for you. Just to annoy.
 
" But aside from a hippy professor you never heard of in Colorado, this vitriol isn't coming from the mainstream left, or the public voices of the left. "

So when Ted Rall calls for the electro genital torture of minorities who abandoned the Democrats, or when he puts up cartoons of Rice as an illiterate mammy, or when Carville goes on TV to spew his venom, or when Sen. Byrd flips out with another tirade about 'n*****s', that's just a chuckle hmmm?
 
fishbob said:
AA Party sounds like too much coffee and cigarettes. You gotta come up with a cooler name before I sign up.
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I agree. Maybe Whigs or Federalists. How about Tory or Labour. Taken already? damn!

Lemme think awhile. The idea is intriguing.

Also, I quit smoking.

IIR
 
I think you'd be better looking at things through the "D/P/A" Paradigm established in "Team America: World Police".

Pu***es don’t like d*cks because pu***es get f**ked by d*cks, but d*cks also f*ck as***les. A***oles who just wanna ◊◊◊◊ on everything. Pu***es may think that they can deal with a***oles their way, but the only thing that can ◊◊◊◊ an a***ole is a d*ck, with some balls. The problem with d*cks is that sometimes they ◊◊◊◊ too much, or ◊◊◊◊ when it isn’t appropriate, and it takes a p**sy to show ‘em that. But sometimes p***ies get so full of ◊◊◊◊ that they become as***les themselves. Because pus**es are only an inch and a half away from as***les.
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(Wasted 90 seconds of my life editing **'s into that.)

You can neatly fit most of those involved in the political process (hell, and society in general) into one of those three catagories.
 
Silicon said:
For every Michael Moore or Barbara Striesand, there's 10 Ann Coulters, Michelle Malkins, O'Reilleys and Limbaughs and Hannitys etc....
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I like your post. I work in a very liberal town (Los Angeles) and I often have to sit and listen to Republican bashing and just keep my mouth shut. I'm a consultant and I found out a long time ago that expressing my opinion even in a respectable and low key manner can cost me clients.

That said, I like Michael Moore, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and Limbaugh. I don't like O'Reilley at all and Barbara Striesand's political thoughts are competely useless to me but I love her artisticly. I think they are all rediculous at times and they have all said things I find offensive. However I really enjoy listening to them and I am really glad they are there. Besides, they are folks we can love to hate. Limbaugh, Moore and Coulter can be damn funny and give biting political satire.
 
I think you get what I mean, Randfan.

In your work, you probably get steamed when someone busts out with a "Bush is such an a**hole rant." But what can you do, when it would be impolite of YOU to disrupt their rant?

They don't want a discussion, they want their argument to rule the day, because their point of view is the only valid one.


I've come upon what might be my preferred response in that situation. I haven't used it yet, but I do like it.

I plan the next time it happens to me, to say.

"Yes, but that's just YOUR OPINION." In a nice way. I won't state my opinion, I'll use a more passive tone. But any idea that they have that is designed to either get my goat or get me to shut up, will instead be met with:

"You say that like it's a fact. But it's not a fact, it's your OPINION. Other people might have other opinions, and those opinions might be just as valid as yours."

Don't let them end with their statement, just keep reminding them that it's just an opinion that they hold, and that everyone has an opinion.


I don't like Michael Moore or any of those people you listed. I also hate most of Air America, and Howard Stern for that matter. I don't like listening to people whose minds are made up before they know the facts, no matter what "side" they're on.
 
Silicon said:
I think you get what I mean, Randfan.
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Absolutely.

I don't like Michael Moore or any of those people you listed. I also hate most of Air America, and Howard Stern for that matter. I don't like listening to people whose minds are made up before they know the facts, no matter what "side" they're on.
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Cool, that's why radios come with tuning knobs. Let's all agree that these folks are partisans and quite often intellectually dishonest, irrational and employ fallacious reasoning.
 
crimresearch said:
" But aside from a hippy professor you never heard of in Colorado, this vitriol isn't coming from the mainstream left, or the public voices of the left. "

So when Ted Rall calls for the electro genital torture of minorities who abandoned the Democrats, or when he puts up cartoons of Rice as an illiterate mammy, or when Carville goes on TV to spew his venom, or when Sen. Byrd flips out with another tirade about 'n*****s', that's just a chuckle hmmm?
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Okay, so I see your Rall, a relative unknown comic strip writer. Let's cancel him out with Andrew "Critics of the invasion of Iraq are objectively pro-Saddam" "The left are a third column in the war on Terror" Sullivan.

Okay, Carville. Come up with the worst thing he's ever said, and I'll cancel him out with another bald White House crony G. Gordon "Here's how to shoot the FBI agents" Liddy.

That leaves Senator Byrd? Can I use Strom Thurmond to cancel him out? Dead?!! Darn. Gotta find someone else. Howbout Zell "spitballs" Miller? Hmm... Dixiecrat. Somehow you'll say he's a lefty. Howbout Alan Keyes?

Listen, I still got Michael "Clinton didn't die from his heart attack because Hell was full" Savage for you. And we still haven't found matches for Ann "Democrats aren't Patriots" "Liberal Treason" Coulter, Bill "Al Franken is like Joseph Goebbels" O'Reilly. Jerry "the ACLU is responsible for 9/11"... Fallwell ...

I can keep going. I'm not breaking a sweat. And all of them (well except Sullivan) are household names.


All beside the point. Let's have a bi-partisan, multipartisan bash of A**hole speech here.

Pull out your awful quotes on the left.

But instead of "But he hit me first!!!! Mommy!" Let's shove all those A**holes aside, and bring on the party that says NO to all that.
 
Agreed that a tit-for-tat headcount of is beside the point.

But calling Rall an unknown comic strip writer, when he is in fact a leading columnist, or ignoring the Streisands and Garafolos, etc. while focusing on the right wing's dominance in talk radio, is in no wise an objective middle ground viewpoint.

The left has plenty of voices to speak for them, as a review of academia and the entertainment industry shows, and they can employ whatever tactics suit their agenda, just as the right does.

It is apparently in the nature of political parties to produce their own version of the Peter principle, and the hate mongering which rises to the top offends me, regardless of which party it comes from.
 
Silicon said:
What are you talking about? It's Daily Kos. It's not a pay site.
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If you click any of the links to see who the quotes are attributable to you go to a pay site and have to pony up before you can see who said it.
 
I can't help it if he quotes the New York times or the Washington post or Salon.

Those sites are all free. Salon requires you to watch an ad. The Times and the Post are free if you sign up with an email address. There are also free sites which let you sign on to the Times and the Post anonymously. I'm not going to hold your hand and teach you how to browse the internet.


The "Nice try" comment is the one I misunderstood. Do you think I'm shilling to get people to subscribe to the New York times?
 
Rall is a leading columnist? I guess I don't read enough. Never heard of him until he did something nutty.

I guess that's how you get "heard of" in the media today. The mo(o)re you can piss people off, the famouser you are.
 
BPSCG said:


Here's a new one for you. Just to annoy.
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Nahh, that's not annoying. It's an interesting point. Of course peace-loving countries have peace activists. That's what makes us PEACE LOVING! :p



The one that annoyed me was the one that accused liberals of snobbery. That's low. You know that's the one thing that hurts liberals the most. If you call them snobs, they spend the next 5 years holding circle-time deciding if they are IN FACT snobs. Then there'll be a whole article on the cover of Newsweek, "Do Liberals have a Snobbery Problem?" Then their whole legislative agenda waits while they schedule photo-ops of them at Wal-Mart and at Sonic and going to Nascar races.

If you call conservatives snobs, they say "F*ck you," then go back to dismantling Social Security.




;)
 
Silicon said:
Nahh, that's not annoying. It's an interesting point. Of course peace-loving countries have peace activists. That's what makes us PEACE LOVING! :p
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So why didn't Rachel Corrie go to North Korea to protest the truly horrifying injustice there, instead of to Israel? She could have gotten killed in NK just as easily.
The one that annoyed me was the one that accused liberals of snobbery. That's low. You know that's the one thing that hurts liberals the most.
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Why? If it's not true, it shouldn't hurt. If it is true, then stop being such snobs. What do you call someone who says that you're not just wrong for having voted for Bush, but that you're also a stupid redneck and an ignorant fundamentalist?
If you call them snobs, they spend the next 5 years holding circle-time deciding if they are IN FACT snobs. Then there'll be a whole article on the cover of Newsweek, "Do Liberals have a Snobbery Problem?" Then their whole legislative agenda waits while they schedule photo-ops of them at Wal-Mart and at Sonic and going to Nascar races.

If you call conservatives snobs, they say "F*ck you," then go back to dismantling Social Security. ;)
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My mother taught me that only our social inferiors used that kind of language. :D
 
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People we're losing sight of our main objective, founding a new party. For that we need a snappy name 'cause AA is taken. Let's have some serious discussion here.

IIR
 
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