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Rigged ***2008*** Elections

JEROME DA GNOME said:
Cook county population in 1960 was 5,129,725. (this includes children and those ineligible to vote)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_County,_Illinois

Cook county votes cast in 1960 was 2,445,269.
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is this suspicious?

(from the wiki article)
In the county the population was spread out with 26.0% under the age of 18
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assuming this was roughly true in 1960 as well the 2.4 million voters doesnt seem unreasonable

also wiki states kennedy won IL by 9000 votes, not 4000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1960#Controversies
 
defaultdotxbe said:
is this suspicious?
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The part where Cook county waited to see the other counts before reveling their count; yes.

assuming this was roughly true in 1960 as well the 2.4 million voters doesnt seem unreasonable
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Amazing assumption considering this was baby boom time.

also wiki states kennedy won IL by 9000 votes, not 4000
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Different source. Not a difference that matters to this talk. I concede 9000 is need be.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
The part where Cook county waited to see the other counts before reveling their count; yes.
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but that has nothing to do with the population of the county, does it?

you seem to be implying that more people voted than were eligible to vote, do you have any evidence to back this up?
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Well, if you are going to use Slate to show there was not election fraud in Cook county, I will use Slate to prove my point that there is cheating in elections.
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Hahhaha.. You didn't even bother to read the article. I was perfectly willing to concede the fact that there was election fraud because the article said there was. The problem being that it didn't seem like anything signifificant. You've got a few people saying it didn't matter. A bunch of areas that were overcounted Nixon.
you seem to be implying that more people voted than were eligible to vote, do you have any evidence to back this up?
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I don't know. I shall do some more research later because there were a couple hundred people charged with a crime. For this fact he is right though I wouldn't trust anything else. Though with such close results I really wouldn't be surprised that just plain old human error played a role. It's not like we are dealing with machines when we have a paper trail.
 
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defaultdotxbe said:
poorly calibrated touchscreens hardly seems like a conspiracy to intentionally swing the vote one way or the other
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I see not only did you not understand my post but didn't see the whole video. Now start from about 40 min into the video. See the 7 people from the company that makes the paper sent to florida?

I didn't say they intentionally changed the touch screens to swing the vote. I said there is evidence someone in that ballet company intentionally created a problem with the paper just so they can sell touchscreens. And if they did it worked because they sold a lot of touchscreens.

Lets not be like twoofers and deny evidence. :) At a minimum there should be an investigation.
 
FactCheck said:
I see not only did you not understand my post but didn't see the whole video. Now start from about 40 min into the video. See the 7 people from the company that makes the paper sent to florida?

I didn't say they intentionally changed the touch screens to swing the vote. I said there is evidence someone in that ballet company intentionally created a problem with the paper just so they can sell touchscreens. And if they did it worked because they sold a lot of touchscreens.

Lets not be like twoofers and deny evidence. :) At a minimum there should be an investigation.
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and lets not be truthers and connect dots that have no logical connection

so lets take the shady business practices, how does this result in a "rigged" election? (or is that no longer the topic at hand?)
 
defaultdotxbe said:
and lets not be truthers and connect dots that have no logical connection

so lets take the shady business practices, how does this result in a "rigged" election? (or is that no longer the topic at hand?)
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Are you saying there is no logical connection between the fact that they purposefully changed the die ONLY for Florida with the absurd excuse of HUMIDITY - something they never did before in over 25 years and didn't do in any other humid state - and creating a crisis in voting to sell touch screens which had poor sales before it???

Make no mistake about it, this is equal to people involved in a 9/11 conspiracy coming out and giving names, dates, places and times. Would you say "lets not be truthers and connect dots that have no logical connection"??? Wouldn't you at the very least want an investigation? That's what the workers did. There is even a paper trail.

You can have a conspiracy to rig an election for profit regardless of who wins. You rig it to have problems in order to sell your more expensive product.

Can you explain the humidity argument and the place it was sent to being the problem area during the elections? Or the scientist who proved it was the die which caused the hanging chads on the presidential column? And the discarding of defective paper rolls just before the media came? I mean I could have been liberal and said this was a plot to make Bush president but I have no evidence of that. There IS evidence of tampering though. Enough to warrant an investigation.
 
FactCheck said:
You can have a conspiracy to rig an election for profit regardless of who wins. You rig it to have problems in order to sell your more expensive product.
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seems we have a difference of terms then, as far as im concerned tampering with equipment without intent to swing the vote one way or another doesnt amount to rigging the election, since i dont equate the election itself with the equipment used
 
HBO's "Hacking Democracy" shows how ease it was to
manipulate Voting Machines - for those who can laugh
about it as well... :p

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=4463776866669054201

Google Video This video is not hosted by the ISF, the ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE
 
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Oliver said:
HBO's "Hacking Democracy" shows how ease it was to
manipulate Voting Machines - for those who can laugh
about it as well... :p

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=4463776866669054201

Google Video This video is not hosted by the ISF, the ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
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Great documentary and for anyone who really still believes that we live in some sort of a democracy, it will make you cry. It is absurd how easy it was for those people to hack into the machines and change the outcomes.
 
Oliver said:
HBO's "Hacking Democracy" shows how ease it was to
manipulate Voting Machines - for those who can laugh
about it as well... :p

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=4463776866669054201

Google Video This video is not hosted by the ISF, the ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
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What this is evidence for is that you can hack an electronic voting machine. If and who hacked it is much harder to prove.

Kerry was the Singiya of the democrat party before Iowa. Hell, he still is to me. It's like "Vote for the worse" was the theme of that election, rigged or not.
 
FactCheck said:
What this is evidence for is that you can hack an electronic voting machine. If and who hacked it is much harder to prove.
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No, but the mere possibility that you can hack into an electronic voting machine is a cause for grave, really grave concern.

Compare with the system of pre-printed paper ballots. In the Riksdagselection 2002 the party Fria Listan (The Free List) got lots of votes disqualified beacuse they printed their own paper ballots. And there was no discussion about it. No 2000 crap about "pregnant" votes and "intentions". They botched it. Big time. Period.

And in 1988 (I think) it was front page news that a bag with some 240-260 votes by mail had been forgotten at some postal office.

My question is: Have the american elections at state and lower levels the same possibilites for errors?
 
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Father Dagon said:
My question is: Have the american elections at state and lower levels the same possibilites for errors?
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Loser for Maryland Governor Files Suit to Overturn Election

Mrs. Sauerbrey's lawsuit focuses on ballots in the three voting districts won by Mr. Glendening, Baltimore and Prince Georges and Montgomery Counties. Mrs. Sauerbrey, the former Republican leader of the Maryland House, won the state's 21 other voting districts.
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Sauerbrey won 21 of 24 districts and lost the election!


And you thought politics in Louisiana were bad.

Further, the suit charges that Baltimore election board officials overreported Mr. Glendening's total count by 1,473, that 84 people in the city voted twice, that 71 voters in Baltimore and Montgomery County gave addresses that were abandoned buildings and that 37 votes were recorded for people who are dead.
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The joke is on those that think elections are real.;)
 
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