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Rigged ***2008*** Elections

You're joking, right?

So if Reps win, it's because they cheated. If Dems win, it's because the Reps couldn't cheat enough to overcome the sheer number of Dems who voted. :rolleyes:
lefty is the new perry logan, thats the same reason he gave for the dem winning 2006, the repubilicans just didnt cheat enough this time
 
No, he's an Aussie. Let him explain Foster's!
Always hated Fosters, even the imported stuff before they started brewing it domestically. Heineken is also brewed domestically now btw.

At any rate, I always found Foster's too sweet with a bad aftertaste.

And there's plenty of great beers brewed in America by the many different microbreweries. I'm still pissed off that Bell's is no longer distributed in Illinois, stupid beer distributuon monopolies. :mad: At least there's still Sierra Nevada, the Celebration Ale's will hit the stores shortly. My favorite beer period, imported or domestic.
 
Always hated Fosters, even the imported stuff before they started brewing it domestically. Heineken is also brewed domestically now btw.

At any rate, I always found Foster's too sweet with a bad aftertaste.

And there's plenty of great beers brewed in America by the many different microbreweries. I'm still pissed off that Bell's is no longer distributed in Illinois, stupid beer distributuon monopolies. :mad: At least there's still Sierra Nevada, the Celebration Ale's will hit the stores shortly. My favorite beer period, imported or domestic.

I always found Fosters so-so. Great Yank microbrews? Drive down just a lil' south to this hidden gem. http://www.threefloyds.com/
 
Enough of us voted on paper that there was no way to fix it.

As for evidence of criminal action on Blackwell's part, the abscense of evidence that was supposed to be maintained to verify that the election was not tampered is, in itself, a crime.


There is zero evidence of any Republican vote "fixing" in either 2000 or 2004. There is plenty of evidence that Democratic vote fraud tilted a Senate race in North Dakota in 2002, a gubernatorial contest in Washington in 2004, and the presidential results in Wisconsin in both 2000 and 2004. The tiny problem the Bush-bashers won't ever mention is that Bush in 2004 lead in the realclearpolitics aggregate of all national polls. To pretend, as do Steven Freeman and Bob Fitrakis, that Kerry really won by 6.5 million votes is to argue that every national poll was wrong by more than double its margin of error.
 
There is zero evidence of any Republican vote "fixing" in either 2000 or 2004.

There is evidence that people were removed unlawfully from the voter rolls in Florida by declaring them felons on the word of a computer consulting company without providing any cross-checking. That is called denial of due process. I'm glad Harris is out of a job now, because she had an opportunity to do what the consultants who made up the lists told her she needed to do, but failed to do so.

Don't give me any blather aboput the law's requiring that felons be removed from the list. FIRST they need to be proven to have been felons, and there is no proof that they were so proven in many cases. The voters removed from the rolls still need to appeal to the Florida State Board of Pardons and Parole to get re-instated. Like that doesn't cost money? Pu-leeeeeze!

There is plenty of evidence that Democratic vote fraud tilted a Senate race in North Dakota in 2002

Care to source that?

, a gubernatorial contest in Washington in 2004,

With Dino the whimpering punk taking a predominantly Democratic city on electronic voting machines that could not be recounted, but which, according to Bev Harris may have reset themselves during voting? I don't think so. The next biggest percentage for whiney little Dino? Yakima County. Guess what kind of voting equiopment they had. Electronic with no paper trail.

and the presidential results in Wisconsin in both 2000 and 2004. The tiny problem the Bush-bashers won't ever mention is that Bush in 2004 lead in the realclearpolitics aggregate of all national polls. To pretend, as do Steven Freeman and Bob Fitrakis, that Kerry really won by 6.5 million votes is to argue that every national poll was wrong by more than double its margin of error.

And then there were the voters that Kenneth Blackwell screwed out of their votes, after they stood in lines for hours on end, maybe giving up because they had to go to work or be fired because the little sleazeball did not put anywhere near enough machines into black neighborhoods as he did white neighborhoods.

And that thug was supposed to have preserved all the paper from the 2004 elections. Where is it? Just prove that Bush actually did win there and that the ballots not counted really were cast by inelligible voters.

And don't get me started on Karl Rove and the voter caging lists.
 
I don't know about the 2008 election but there is strong evidence the 2000 was tampered with. But not by Bush, by the company that makes the paper used in florida. Why? To sell electronic touchscreens which they invested in. I saw about 8 people from the company on HDNet say managment told them to change the die just for florida with the absurd reason that its more humid in florida. No othe humid state was changed. The die was tested by a scientist who said the change caused the hanging chads. It ONLY happened in the presidencial columns. But in general there is always some form of cheating. Some repubicans join the democatic party just to vote for the worse candidate in Iowa for instance. The dems do it too.
 
I don't know about the 2008 election but there is strong evidence the 2000 was tampered with. But not by Bush, by the company that makes the paper used in florida. Why? To sell electronic touchscreens which they invested in. I saw about 8 people from the company on HDNet say managment told them to change the die just for florida with the absurd reason that its more humid in florida. No othe humid state was changed. The die was tested by a scientist who said the change caused the hanging chads. It ONLY happened in the presidencial columns. But in general there is always some form of cheating. Some repubicans join the democatic party just to vote for the worse candidate in Iowa for instance. The dems do it too.

Wooo Woooo WOOOO Wooo...
"I wouldn't be paranoid if everybody wan't out to get me."...
 
There is evidence that people were removed unlawfully from the voter rolls in Florida by declaring them felons on the word of a computer consulting company without providing any cross-checking. That is called denial of due process. I'm glad Harris is out of a job now, because she had an opportunity to do what the consultants who made up the lists told her she needed to do, but failed to do so.

Don't give me any blather aboput the law's requiring that felons be removed from the list. FIRST they need to be proven to have been felons, and there is no proof that they were so proven in many cases. The voters removed from the rolls still need to appeal to the Florida State Board of Pardons and Parole to get re-instated. Like that doesn't cost money? Pu-leeeeeze!


A few hundred people may have been wrongly prevented from voting. Over six thousand felons voted illegally.


Care to source that?


"Bad Lands, Bad Votes," by Byron York (National Review, December 23, 2002)

(Unfortunately, this article is not available online. It can be ordered from the NR store.)


With Dino the whimpering punk taking a predominantly Democratic city on electronic voting machines that could not be recounted, but which, according to Bev Harris may have reset themselves during voting?



Bev Harris is a bad joke who makes wild assertions she can't support. No anomalies were discovered in voting patterns.



I don't think so. The next biggest percentage for whiney little Dino? Yakima County. Guess what kind of voting equiopment they had. Electronic with no paper trail.


"The Sound of Stealing," by Richard Baehr

http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/12/the_sound_of_stealing.html



And then there were the voters that Kenneth Blackwell screwed out of their votes, after they stood in lines for hours on end, maybe giving up because they had to go to work or be fired because the little sleazeball did not put anywhere near enough machines into black neighborhoods as he did white neighborhoods.


Democrat propaganda about voters standing in long lines is just that. Neither you nor any other Dem cares about the long lines in NYC, or Philadelphia, or Detroit, or Chicago. Let's bury the myth about Blackwell being responsible for the shortage of voting machines. County supervisors order the machines, and in Democratic counties those supervisors are Democrats. That happens to be the reason the same counties have long lines every election. Duh.

(From "Recount 2004," by Rich Lowry)
"The conspiracy theorists focus on Franklin County, home of the heavily Democratic city of Columbus. They allege, among other things, that long lines there on Election Day were a cagey tactic to keep blacks from voting. It just happens that Anthony is chairman of the Franklin County Board of Elections and also chairman of the Franklin County Democratic party. "I am a black man," he told the Columbus Dispatch. "Why would I sit there and disenfranchise voters in my own community?" Good question."




And that thug was supposed to have preserved all the paper from the 2004 elections. Where is it? Just prove that Bush actually did win there and that the ballots not counted really were cast by inelligible voters.


A baseless slander. Blackwell is a "thug" because he dared to leave the plantation. The Democratic smear machine had to destroy him. All of the left's innumerate falsehoods about the exit polls have been refuted by Democratic pollster (!) Mark Blumenthal (see pollster.com, the four-part series "Was RFK, Jr. Right About the Exit Polls?")


And don't get me started on Karl Rove and the voter caging lists.


Would you like to get started on Terry McAuliffe's refusal to consider Ken Mehlman's request to organize bi-partisan monitoring groups in heavily-populated precincts? Why not?
 
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To all you yahoos bellyakin about "no paper trail"--I have voted in every election I was elegible to vot in since 1975.
Except 1 time absentee, and once in Colorado--I have NEVER-EVER-VOTED on a paper ballot.
BTW--I vote Dem as often as Rep, and never a straight ticket-like any thinking person.
Like Santa Clause, THERE IS NO (RULE10) Conspiracy to steal elections.
So knock off the Bull(rule10) and find something legitimate to gripe about, or STFU--OKAY?
 
Yes, but they don't involve mindless, baseless reflex criticisms of the U.S.

I know Oliver says he's in his thirties, but his posts read to me like those of an adolescent who has just discovered the real doesn't always live up to the ideal - and has had his universe thoroughly shattered by the discovery.
You have to realize that his avatar was at one point Ralph Quimby.
To all you yahoos bellyakin about "no paper trail"--I have voted in every election I was elegible to vot in since 1975.
Except 1 time absentee, and once in Colorado--I have NEVER-EVER-VOTED on a paper ballot.
BTW--I vote Dem as often as Rep, and never a straight ticket-like any thinking person.
Like Santa Clause, THERE IS NO (RULE10) Conspiracy to steal elections.
So knock off the Bull(rule10) and find something legitimate to gripe about, or STFU--OKAY?
I just realized something. The mechanical machines don't have a paper trail... or do they?
 
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lol

I'm guessing this topic is a particular annoyance to you rwguinn. Can't say I blame you.

TAM:)
 
To all you yahoos bellyakin about "no paper trail"--I have voted in every election I was elegible to vot in since 1975.
Except 1 time absentee, and once in Colorado--I have NEVER-EVER-VOTED on a paper ballot.
BTW--I vote Dem as often as Rep, and never a straight ticket-like any thinking person.
Like Santa Clause, THERE IS NO (RULE10) Conspiracy to steal elections.
So knock off the Bull(rule10) and find something legitimate to gripe about, or STFU--OKAY?

Cook county Illinois, 1960 election.


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Cook county Illinois, 1960 election.


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Wrong. You butcher history and cherry pick facts so much that it pretty much was a given in this case. It's just another vague argument.
That question remains unsolved and unsolvable. But what's typically left out of the legend is that multiple election boards saw no reason to overturn the results. Neither did state or federal judges. Neither did an Illinois special prosecutor in 1961. And neither have academic inquiries into the Illinois case (both a 1961 study by three University of Chicago professors and more recent research by political scientist Edmund Kallina concluded that whatever fraud existed wasn't substantial enough to alter the election).
http://www.slate.com/id/91350/
 
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Are you countering with Molson, or Molson Ice?

Nope, I'm countering with Carlton Draught, and Crown Premium Lager

ETA: Oh, and Australians don't drink Fosters, in fact it's hard to find over here because no-one wants it
 
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The machines are only a part of the problem. But that is a big one. There is no way to verify the results recorded on them. and they are not invulnerable to hacking by unscrupulous elections workers. Howard Dean has demonstrated that.

Real votes are on paper ballots and can be recounted by hand.

Canada seems never to have a problem. Why should we?

Beyond the unreliabilty of the machines, there is the conflict of interest in several states. What happened in Ohio is criminal, to my thinking. What on earth was a member of Bush's election campaign organization doing running elections?

There is no way to prove that the elections in Ohio were conducted in an ethical manner. Blackwell deliberately knocked people off the rolls with arbitrary directives that would make Catbert of the Dilbert comic strip green with envy.
Neither do we have the same problem in Sweden. Must be some sort of strange coincidence.
 

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