Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

[Animal]

(My emphasis)

I looked into the issue of whether or not he breaches the AIA Code of Ethics back in May 2012. By my lawyer's reasoning he breaches the AIA Code. See this post:

Note also that the AIA Code applies a stricter standard than "is he lying" - i.e. telling deliberate untruths. It imposes a strict liability for truthfulness. So it is no defence that he believes what he says - if he does so believe. See the explanations in my linked posts.

I also compared the relatively "soft" standard of AIA to an example of a stricter ethical obligation - my own actually resulting from membership as a Fellow of the Institution of Engineers, Australia. See this post which immediately follows the one at the previous link.

I might also suggest that US readers especially avoid over-reading the US constitutional provisions protecting freedom of speech as if they were relevant here. They are not. Gage joined an organisation which obliges him to meet the standards of the organisation in respect of ethical conduct. He voluntarily agreed to those ethical standards so, to the extent that they may limit his constitutional right of free speech if they in fact do so, it was his free choice to accept the limitation.

The AIA is a political organization....of of the several reasons I refuse to belong to it. As long as they have the fees coming in , they really will not care.

 

[ozeco41]

I love when they confuse free speech violations with a private group's right to censor...

The AIA is a political organization....of of the several reasons I refuse to belong to it. As long as they have the fees coming in , they really will not care.

At the time of my original comment I formed the opinion that disciplinary control was unlikely - so my view was similar to yours in effect.

However my recent comment you quoted was directed at the dishonesty and unethical aspects of Gage's behaviour - not at the unlikelihood of AIA doing anything about it.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore View Post
Again, who is UBL?

Wow...that answers all my questions...

It's OBL.

 

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore View Post
Again, who is UBL?

It's OBL.

You suck and fail even as a spelling nazi:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usama_bin_Laden#Name

There is no universally accepted standard for transliterating Arabic words and Arabic names into English;[43] bin Laden's name is most frequently rendered "Osama bin Laden". The FBI and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), as well as other U.S. governmental agencies, have used either "Usama bin Laden" or "Usama bin Ladin". Less common renderings include "Ussamah bin Ladin" and, in the French-language media, "Oussama ben Laden". Other spellings include "Binladen" or, as used by his family in the West, "Binladin".

 

[Animal]

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At the time of my original comment I formed the opinion that disciplinary control was unlikely - so my view was similar to yours in effect.

However my recent comment you quoted was directed at the dishonesty and unethical aspects of Gage's behaviour - not at the unlikelihood of AIA doing anything about it.

I think both Gage's and the AIA's behavior is dishonest

 

[carlitos]

You suck and fail even as a spelling nazi:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usama_bin_Laden#Name

How could someone pretending to be interested in this subject not know that the CIA / FBI referred to him as "UBL?" Just more evidence that the trolls here aren't worth engaging at any level.

 

[Clayton Moore]

UBL

How could someone pretending to be interested in this subject not know that the CIA / FBI referred to him as "UBL?" Just more evidence that the trolls here aren't worth engaging at any level.

Surely the most lugubrious attempt ever at being privy to insider stuff.

 

[ozeco41]

I think both Gage's..

Given

...and the AIA's behavior is dishonest

Could well be. If I was undertaking a high profile promotion of 9/11 untruths and claiming my membership of my professional association to support my authority I would be expecting every phone call to be the official one "Suggesting that I modify my position OR stop naming the association".

I prefer to not go any further into that aspect however.

 

[ozeco41]

How could someone pretending to be interested in this subject not know that the CIA / FBI referred to him as "UBL?" Just more evidence that the trolls here aren't worth engaging at any level.

Spot on Carlitos.

The primary goal of trolling is ego driven attention seeking and responding to trolling merely feeds the ego goal.

Trolling posts to be successful have no need for logic, consistency, honesty or any other of the characteristics of reasoned objective debate. Such "niceties" merely hinder the attention craving ego driven goal. Hence the pretence of being unaware of the multiple Arabic-English transliterations of the name in question.

And we are way past the 2006-7-8 legitimate excuse that we "respond for the benefit of the lurkers" - what lurkers in 2013?

 

[carlitos]

Surely the most lugubrious attempt ever at being privy to insider stuff.

Again, CM posts more evidence that he isn't even informed on the topics that he pretends to be interested in. Apparently, being privy to insider stuff means "watching television?"

 

[carlitos]

And I replied again. Shame on me. Slow day, looking forward to the White Sox opener.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Again, CM posts more evidence that he isn't even informed on the topics that he pretends to be interested in. Apparently, being privy to insider stuff means "watching television?"

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Wasn't it Bush who said he wasn't interested in OBL?

http://www.politicususa.com/bush-bin-laden.html


I'm sure he was already dead.

 

[carlitos]

Dodge noted. Correct response "I'm a moron who didn't know that the CIA / FBI / Fox News called him UBL." But inability to admit error is a common troll/sociopathic trait.

In any case, in terms of trolling success, 8/10. I wasted 3 posts on this nonsense. Congrats.

 

[beachnut]

Wasn't it Bush who said he wasn't interested in OBL?

How long did it take you to figure out UBL name has no direct translation? Wait, you didn't figure that out yet. You don't know Islam, or 911.

LOL, an article the day UBL was killed.

http://www.politicususa.com/bush-bin-laden.html

Wow, political stuff. A news paper which brags about it's point of view. Nothing wrong with that, honest about their perspective. But what was your point? You don't have one; a gish gallop as you avoid presenting evidence to debunk Gage, because you believe the lies Gage feeds you.

I'm sure he was already dead.

Wrong again, or are you basing this on 2 May 11?. Your knowledge of 911, and UBL are rising up to, zero.

Clayton, your posts show signs you have no idea what 911 was, or who was involved. Saying UBL was dead on May 2, 2011, is correct, when the article was written, UBL was dead. lol, you got something right but I think you got it wrong, and meant 6 months after 911. Why is 911 truth lacking on knowledge related to 911? 911 truth has the same problem as the Holocaust deniers, and the bullets thread claims. 911 truth doesn't do the research and ends up making up idiotic claims, and failing to make a point. Watch out, 911 truth will mislead you. Don't be gullible.

 

[chrismohr]

Hi all,
Exxcept for MileHigh Madness, I don't know if anyone else lives near Denver. But this Saturday at 3:00 pm I'll be having some informal back-and-forth with Richard Gage at the AIA National Convention. The theme of the whole event will be disaster preparedness etc (hurricanes, tornadoes, etc). AE911Truth has a booth in the Exhibition section:
Colorado Convention Center
700 14th Street
Denver, CO 80202
I believe the public can come to that room either for free or $10.

 

[pgimeno]

What happened to www.chrismohr911.com?

 

[chrismohr]

What happened to www.chrismohr911.com?

Not sure why, but it has been moved to
http://aneta.org/theories/ChrisMohr/
Gage wants to see it completed, actually. I should see if anytahing new has been added....

 

[Miragememories]

Not sure why, but it has been moved to
http://aneta.org/theories/ChrisMohr/
Gage wants to see it completed, actually. I should see if anytahing new has been added....

How much are you asking for that shirt?

MM

 

[beachnut]

Not sure why, but it has been moved to
http://aneta.org/theories/ChrisMohr/
Gage wants to see it completed, actually. I should see if anything new has been added....

The 911 truth follower remarks are proof 4 people have no knowledge in a lot of areas. Adam - Black Chris - Brown Rick - Blue John - Green.

Love the remote transmitter comments, and the 911 truth "expert" claims we can talk to the Mars Rover so we can talk to explosives in a steel building. Is Mars Rover in a steel building, or in the open, line of sight? http://aneta.org/theories/ChrisMohr/ Love it when people who support a fantasy make it up as they go.

The pilot comments are enough to dismiss their delusions without comment. Love the fire can't come out the elevator shaft from a giant fuel air explosion. Are they doing a parody of 911 truth, spewing the dumbest answers they can?

With the answers 911 truth cult followers supplied, it is like you are debating 3 year olds. Who owns the web site?

Can't believe they stand behind so much woo. 12 years of failure for 911 truth. Claims based on lies and ignorance, failure is the only product = 911 truth.

 

[chrismohr]

The 911 truth follower remarks are proof 4 people have no knowledge in a lot of areas. Adam - Black Chris - Brown Rick - Blue John - Green.

Love the remote transmitter comments, and the 911 truth "expert" claims we can talk to the Mars Rover so we can talk to explosives in a steel building. Is Mars Rover in a steel building, or in the open, line of sight? http://aneta.org/theories/ChrisMohr/ Love it when people who support a fantasy make it up as they go.

The pilot comments are enough to dismiss their delusions without comment. Love the fire can't come out the elevator shaft from a giant fuel air explosion. Are they doing a parody of 911 truth, spewing the dumbest answers they can?

With the answers 911 truth cult followers supplied, it is like you are debating 3 year olds. Who owns the web site?

Can't believe they stand behind so much woo. 12 years of failure for 911 truth. Claims based on lies and ignorance, failure is the only product = 911 truth.

Rick Shaddock runs the site. Some of the responses to my debating points are relatively well thought out, and others are just made-up idle speculation just to fill in a box. I told Richard Gage personally (when we met at the AIA Convention in July) that it needed more thought on his side . The weakest rebuttals are so weak I could do better filling them in myself. Definitely a work in progress on the 9/11 Truth side. In the meantime, I got help from pgimeno, ozeco41, oystein, Ryan Mackey, Dave Thomas, etc. Honestly I'm very proud of the extensive compilation of links etc I put together on my side, it's a true compendium of a veritable hit parade of thoughtful rebuttals.