Richard Gage at the AIA Convention

[LashL]

RLK is one of Horatius' brilliant creations, and was my character in a game of forum mafia here a while back.

 

[Hokulele]

Looks more like Lizzy Borden kitteh

That does look like an axe.

 

[Audible Click]

Gavel + Axe= Multi-tasking.

 

[triforcharity]

Here is how the AE911Truth people work as faar as donations.

Directly from my email.

Dear Mr Triforcharity: (obviously edited for my privacy)

We received a request from you for our IRS form 990 on 7/12/09. While we are incorporated in California as a non-profit corporation we are not at this time a Tax Exempt Corporation (501-C-3). Therefore we have allied ourselves with the Agape Foundation for the purpose of providing our donors tax deductible status. If you would like we will send you their latest 990 form which we understand is complete up through the end of 2007. We have been told that their 2008 form is still in the preparation process. If I can be of further assistance please contact me.

Sincerely,

Tom Spellman

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

Hummmm............. So there really is NO way to track the exact donations to AE911Truth. Seems kinda fishy to me. So, this is what I responded with. A little snippy, but I think it got the point accross.

Mr. Spellman,



Thank you for taking the time to write back to me regarding AE 9/11 Truth’s form 990. I would like to receive any form 990 your organization and also from the Agape Foundation.



I would like to ask of you one question. Why have you aligned yourself with an organization that cannot even file their form 990’s in time?? Doesn’t this make YOUR organization look like you are incompetent? I mean, really, they (Agape Foundation) should have filed that paperwork a very long time ago. I know, you have no control over what another company does, but why not light a fire over there. It makes your company look even worse.



Again, I thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.
Regards,

Triforcharity

Ok, like I said, a little snippy, but the BS answer I got was a little telling.

Then, my most recent response from them.

Dear Mr Triforcharity, (again, edited for my privacy) Attitued! [sic] Ah yes a positive attitude. As I stated clearly to you we do not have to file a 990 and therefore do not have a form 990. I will get you the Agape Form 990.

Peace Tom Spellman

I will see what he has to say to this.

Why haven't you yourself, as a NPO, filed for the 501(c)(3) status from the IRS?? Wouldn't that make your group seem a little bit more legitimate?? Or is it that you are afraid that the finances would become public knowledge?? Hey, I am just asking questions!

 

[triforcharity]

Someone marveled why there were 50.

I simply answered the question.

Every physicist, architect, fireman, engineer, pilot, and scientist knows 9/11 did not happen the way the government explained. They just don't have the guts to admit it.

What?? Firefighters have the guts to go into a burning skyscraper to save other peoples' lives, but we wouldn't have to guts to say that the governement killed 343 of our Brothers??? What kind of BS stetement is that??? You might be the biggest coward I have ever encountered.

 

[boloboffin]

Interesting. They're talking about this:

http://www.agapefdn.org/sec/s-fs/fs-main.html

AGAPE'S FISCAL SPONSORSHIP PROGRAM:

Social change organizations working that do not have tax-exempt status with the IRS may apply to be fiscally sponsored by the Agape Foundation. If accepted, their donors can make tax-deductible gifts to Agape, which are then re-granted to the fiscally sponsored organization. The organization must provide detailed reports to Agape on how the funds were spent and Agape's Board of Trustees retains discretion and control over the funds, ensuring that the fiscally sponsored organization uses the funds to further its stated mission.

Agape currently accepts organizations located in the following states: California, Delaware, Idaho, Iowa, Montana, Nebraska, Texas, Vermont & Wyoming.

Please note: Agape does not provide fiscal sponsorship to organizations that provide direct services to individuals. Please visit www.fiscalsponsordirectory.org for information on direct service fiscal sponsors.

AE911Truth does not appear on the webpage of Agape's fiscal sponsorships.

http://www.agapefdn.org/sec/s-li/li-main.html

However, if they don't have their 2008 form 990 submitted yet and the website has only paperwork from 2004 and earlier available, then maybe they just haven't updated the page yet.

ETA: Oh, wow. Guess who IS on that page? North California 9/11 Truth Alliance AND WeAreChangeLA. Bleh. Maybe one of those is an umbrella for AE911Truth.

EATA: Tri, they are flat out lying to you. That's my guess.

Both NC911TA and WACLA have their donation page clearly linked to the Agape Foundation.

http://www.sf911truth.org/donations.html

Note the "Donate Through Agape" link. It takes you to a page at the Agape Foundation.

The same is true for the Donate button at WACLA's front page. It goes straight to the Agape Foundation.

AE911Truth goes to a Paypal window. Perhaps they have applied to the Agape Foundation for fiscal sponsorship, but they don't have it yet. I've got an email out to the Agape Foundation to confirm or deny what Spellman spun for you.

 

[triforcharity]

Thanks, I was getting around to looking into the Agape foundation, but had other things to do.

Keep me updated.

 

[newton3376]

"We're not architects."



Stop....I can't take anymore...

 

[boloboffin]

Just got an email from Agape:

Dear Joseph,

Thank you for your message.

Yes, the Agape Foundation's Board of Trustees accepted Architects &
Engineers for 9/11 Truth into our Fiscal Sponsorship Program on May 18,
2009.

Information about their financial activities with Agape are not public
record, beyond the total annual funds distributed to them which will appear
on the Foundation's 990 for 2009 which will be available in November of
2010.

Public information about the group is available on their website,
www.ae911truth.org.

Sincerely,

Nina Dessart
Administrative Director

The Agape Foundation - Fund for Nonviolent Social Change
1095 Market Street, Suite 304

So the group is full of crazy. Oh, well.

ETA: My response --

I'm sorry to see your organization is seeking to effect nonviolent social change by promoting rightwing lies.

I apologize to all you rightwing debunkers out there. I know the whole 9/11 truth movement can't be pinned on rightwingers alone. A little tweak of these people can't be all bad, though.

 

[Horatius]

And then Rules Lawyer Kitty stops by and gavels them for good measure.

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Looks more like Lizzy Borden kitteh

That does look like an axe.

Gavel + Axe= Multi-tasking.

It was either that, or a guitar joke.

 

[fitzgibbon]

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It was either that, or a guitar joke.

I sit corrected. Mind you, that kitteh in the second panel's vaguely attractive in a dangerous kinda way.