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Requiring oxygen to survive while black

One point about rotating cops to give them cool-off time is that neighborhoods who've never had any police violence suddenly find out what it's like. My home town (Vashon Island) discovered that when a cop fresh from a fairly gang-ridden neighborhood broke someone's arm because he was walking down the wrong side of the road.

Victim thought he was doing the right thing when he had too much to drink and decided to walk home rather than drive.

How many of you can remember (without checking) which side of the road you walk on if there are no sidewalks?

After a few incidents like that, Vashon (which is painfully white) started to understand and sympathize a lot more with minority communities. So, maybe rotating cops is a good idea for other reasons, too.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Routine prosecution and disgrace would go a long way in changing the culture of policing. Impunity from meaningful consequences is a big driver in this culture of brutality.
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Accountability. It is management 101, yet it is forbidden in US policing.
 
Spit hoods can suffocate people, but I should be able to breath just fine through a mask?

Just how fine of a weave are spit hoods? They don't have to be a plastic bag. Do they?
 
casebro said:
Spit hoods can suffocate people, but I should be able to breath just fine through a mask?

Just how fine of a weave are spit hoods? They don't have to be a plastic bag. Do they?
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I concede you might have problems breathing through a mask while being forcibly restrained face down with your hands cuffed behind your back.
 
casebro said:
Spit hoods can suffocate people, but I should be able to breath just fine through a mask?

Just how fine of a weave are spit hoods? They don't have to be a plastic bag. Do they?
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Just googling "spit hoods" gives images of things made of mesh about as coarse as a mosquito net. Much less obstructive than a cloth mask.

But there's variability. I don't know what the PD in question might have been using.
 
Darat said:
Nah, it's the illegal drugs that are suffocating people. If the police hadn't been there he would have still suffocated.
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The medical examiner said it was a contributing factor, not that it caused his death.

You made a straw man.
 
Darat said:
Nah, it's the illegal drugs that are suffocating people. If the police hadn't been there he would have still suffocated.
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I once took illegal drugs and suffocated to death. Got better though - I think these black guys are just lazy. I blame the Democrats and the benefits they hand out willy-nilly
 
This is why cops shouldn't be called in for mental health episodes and if they happen to be, should have better training on how to safely restrain a struggling person.
 
Thermal said:
Agreed. I'm talking about what practical steps can be taken to break a very bad culture of thuggery. This whole 'keep complaining while it keeps happening' thing kind of begs for some workable proposals.
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Institute a "double or nothing" policy.

All complaints such as "I can't breathe" will be viewed as legitimate.
Should they be found to be bogus- whatever penalty that would have been imposed for the broken law is doubled.

Call it the "crying wolf" penalty, or some such.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Routine prosecution and disgrace would go a long way in changing the culture of policing. Impunity from meaningful consequences is a big driver in this culture of brutality.

Police ought not be responding to many of these kinds of calls. Their budget should be reduced and the money should be spent on other emergency services.
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How do you expect that a mental health worker would have resolved this situation of the naked man on PCP , if not by calling the cops?
 
Distracted1 said:
Institute a "double or nothing" policy.

All complaints such as "I can't breathe" will be viewed as legitimate.
Should they be found to be bogus- whatever penalty that would have been imposed for the broken law is doubled.

Call it the "crying wolf" penalty, or some such.
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How will you be bringing these dead people back to life?
 
Running naked out in the snow, you say? Why not just let him do that. Herd him out into the hills or something. Sooner or later (probably sooner) the PCP will wear off and the cold will slow him down a lot. When he is finally cooled off (hah!) naturally, just make sure he doesn't get frostbite, wrap him in a blanket, and get him into protective custody in hospital.
 
Distracted1 said:
Institute a "double or nothing" policy.

All complaints such as "I can't breathe" will be viewed as legitimate.
Should they be found to be bogus- whatever penalty that would have been imposed for the broken law is doubled.

Call it the "crying wolf" penalty, or some such.
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How would you determine that such a complaint was not legitimate?
 
When a guy stops moving you should probably take your knee off his neck and the bag off his head.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Running naked out in the snow, you say? Why not just let him do that. Herd him out into the hills or something. Sooner or later (probably sooner) the PCP will wear off and the cold will slow him down a lot. When he is finally cooled off (hah!) naturally, just make sure he doesn't get frostbite, wrap him in a blanket, and get him into protective custody in hospital.
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This tale takes place in New York. How many fathers would have shot the naked man in the street before the hypothesized cool down?
 
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