Requiring oxygen to survive while black

[TurkeysGhost]

Daniel Prude was killed by Rochester Police March 30th after they placed a spit hood over his head and pinned him face down against the street until he died of suffocation. He was completely nude and handcuffed when he was killed by the police.

The medical exam concluded that:

Prude’s death was a homicide caused by “complications of asphyxia in the setting of physical restraint.”

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The family called the police because the man was having a serious mental episode and needed assistance and the cops killed him.

“The police have shown us over and over again that they are not equipped to handle individuals with mental health concerns. These officers are trained to kill, and not to deescalate. These officers are trained to ridicule, instead of supporting Mr. Daniel Prude,” Ashley Gantt of Free the People ROC said at the news conference with Prude’s family.

 

[William Parcher]

A medical examiner concluded that Prude’s death was a homicide caused by “complications of asphyxia in the setting of physical restraint.” The report lists excited delirium and acute intoxication by phencyclidine, or PCP, as contributing factors.

He should not have been killed and this is another tragedy because of mental illness. In this case it was mental illness combined with a powerful drug (probably) used for recreation.

This is obviously a dangerous drug. Look at his extremely psychotic behavior. It's dangerous for him and the others around him.

Is PCP a common street drug, or what?

 

[RedStapler]

Here comes the victim blaming, like a clockwork. Good job, sir.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Goddamn black people just hurry up and evolve gills or something. Jeez.

 

[shemp]

It's his own fault that he couldn't hold his breath long enough.

 

[Thermal]

Ok. Reading in a little to the cop's behavior:they likely deal with whacked out
high-as-a-kite guys day in and day out, and misread the victim here. So how do you get police to differentiate and recognize mental illness? Formal EMT training? Would that soften their callous? Maybe rotate them more frequently off street detail?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Ok. Reading in a little to the cop's behavior:they likely deal with whacked out
high-as-a-kite guys day in and day out, and misread the victim here. So how do you get police to differentiate and recognize mental illness? Formal EMT training? Would that soften their callous? Maybe rotate them more frequently off street detail?

the man was bare-ass naked and handcuffed wearing a spit hood. How is this person dangerous at this point? Maybe it isn't necessary to pin him face-down to the ground.

Extended restraint is dangerous. People regularly die from it. The cops keep doing it because they just don't care. Utter indifference to human life.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I see the "LOL he's on PCP so at any moment he can snap the handcuffs, leap 50 feet into the air, punch a building in half, and shrug off .50 caliber cannon rounds to chest" thing from the 80s is trying its best to make a comeback.

 

[Thermal]

the man was bare-ass naked and handcuffed wearing a spit hood. How is this person dangerous at this point? Maybe it isn't necessary to pin him face-down to the ground.

Extended restraint is dangerous. People regularly die from it. The cops keep doing it because they just don't care. Utter indifference to human life.

Right, that's what im saying. I think that callous needs to be broken. I think rotating them off to other duties more frequently is a step in the right direction. Have them interacting more positively with the people they are supposed to protect might knock down their edge

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Right, that's what im saying. I think that callous needs to be broken. I think rotating them off to other duties more frequently is a step in the right direction. Have them interacting more positively with the people they are supposed to protect might knock down their edge

Reckless indifference to human life resulting in a death is generally considered a criminal matter.

Even being generous, some form of manslaughter charge seems appropriate.

 

[Thermal]

Reckless indifference to human life resulting is a death is generally considered a criminal matter.

Even being generous, some form of manslaughter charge seems appropriate.

Agreed. I'm talking about what practical steps can be taken to break a very bad culture of thuggery. This whole 'keep complaining while it keeps happening' thing kind of begs for some workable proposals.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Agreed. I'm talking about what practical steps can be taken to break a very bad culture of thuggery. This whole 'keep complaining while it keeps happening' thing kind of begs for some workable proposals.

Routine prosecution and disgrace would go a long way in changing the culture of policing. Impunity from meaningful consequences is a big driver in this culture of brutality.

Police ought not be responding to many of these kinds of calls. Their budget should be reduced and the money should be spent on other emergency services.

 

[William Parcher]

The medical examiner says that the extreme PCP intoxication contributed to asphyxiation. Maybe he was breathing like a racehorse when they put the hood on.

 

[Mumbles]

I have no use for excuses, so I'll say this:

If you know someone with a serious mental illness and you are in the US, do *not* call 911 if they're having an episode, if it can be avoided. Instead, call a hospital or the local firehouse directly. The mentally ill are often entirely unable to deal with a raging, armed fool that is hellbent on escalating the situation the way many US police do.

(THis is advise that has been given to me and my family by others who have been in this exact situation.)

 

[JoeMorgue]

If he was having trouble breathing the cops should have noticed that and reacted so he DIDN'T ******* DIE.

And anyone who says "LOL nobody is saying otherwise" is a liar.

 

[Myriad]

The medical examiner says that the extreme PCP intoxication contributed to asphyxiation. Maybe he was breathing like a racehorse when they put the hood on.

Yeah, I'm sure the cops carefully made sure he was getting his fair share of oxygen and it's his own fault if he'd put himself into a condition where he needed more than that to survive!

Seriously, what's the point of these apologetics? Even if someone was on oxygen in a hospital, if a killer nurse turned the oxygen off so the patient died, the fact that the patient needed more oxygen than normal in the first place wouldn't mitigate the murderer's actus reus or the mens rea one bit.

 

[Darat]

Ok. Reading in a little to the cop's behavior:they likely deal with whacked out
high-as-a-kite guys day in and day out, and misread the victim here. So how do you get police to differentiate and recognize mental illness? Formal EMT training? Would that soften their callous? Maybe rotate them more frequently off street detail?

Do you really think there are police officers out there that don't know people need to breathe? Because that is what this instance boils down to. This is not lack of sufficient training this is a lack of humanity.

 

[RedStapler]

The medical examiner says that the extreme PCP intoxication contributed to asphyxiation. Maybe he was breathing like a racehorse when they put the hood on.

Cop: Wow, this guy is breathing like a racehorse, better put a hood on his head, what could go wrong.

 

[Vixen]

It amazes me when people point out that Floyd and Proud 'were criminals'. Er, hello, that is why they have come in contact with the police. Doesn't make it right to suffocate them, doh!

 

[Thermal]

Routine prosecution and disgrace would go a long way in changing the culture of policing. Impunity from meaningful consequences is a big driver in this culture of brutality.

Again, agreed. Also publicly identifying an officer involved in deaths of suspects. Say their names, too.

Police ought no be responding to many of these kinds of calls. Their budget should be reduced and the money should be spent on other emergency services.

Regarding the OP, disagreed. You have a naked dude runno g around in the snow, call a ******* cop. That's reasonable, especially looking at other threads here where posters insist you call police to resolve all manner of trivialities. But the cops need to respond appropriately, not declare anyone behaving oddly to be an animal.