Merged Rep. Giffords Shot In Tucson

Infoexcavator said:
I think the evidence is starting to show that this guy was a drug addict atheist who attacked because he wanted to create support for progressives who have been egging him on to attack by implying that the best way to destroy the tea party is to make it appear that they are violent.
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You forgot to add [/sarcasm]


right?:o
 
This was my favorite part last night. (other than Giffords opening her eyes!)

In Gabby, we see a reflection of our public spiritedness, that desire to participate in that sometimes frustrating, sometimes contentious, but always necessary and never-ending process to form a more perfect union.
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I am going to start a new thread in politics around the following.

The loss of these wonderful people should make every one of us strive to be better in our private lives – to be better friends and neighbors, co-workers and parents. And if, as has been discussed in recent days, their deaths help usher in more civility in our public discourse, let’s remember that it is not because a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy, but rather because only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to our challenges as a nation, in a way that would make them proud.
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Infoexcavator said:
I think the evidence is starting to show that this guy was a drug addict atheist who attacked because he wanted to create support for progressives who have been egging him on to attack by implying that the best way to destroy the tea party is to make it appear that they are violent.
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According to friends he quit pot in fall 2008.

I'd say he's more of a dumb, high school drop out, anti-social personality, political enthusiast who was anti fed government.

The only thing he said about God is when he was talking about currency and made a flippant play on words about what our currency says, in god we trust.

ETA: anti social personality given: "Loughner's posts ran the gamut of repulsive topics, covering misogyny, rape, racism and violence toward children."
http://kotaku.com/5732313/fbi-pulls-online-game-records-of-accused-tucson-shooter

Neither the right nor the left condones any of that so he can't be pigeon holed in any clean way.
 
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TraneWreck said:
1) I'm surprised at the loud cheering and screaming from the crowd. I think it's actually better than somber rememberance, but it seems more like a rally than a memorial.
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That's because it was a rally.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/was_that_a_memorial_service_a.html "Was that a memorial service or a pep rally?"

I think this image from the memorial shows what it really was …

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/442818.jpg

A pep rally.

And here's more proof.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/the-schedule-for-together-we-t.html

01/12/2011

President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama will be in Tucson Wednesday to attend the "Together We Thrive: Tucson and America" event at the McKale Memorial Center on the University of Arizona campus. The event is scheduled to begin at 6 p.m. MST (8 p.m. EST) with doors opening at 4 p.m. MST (6 p.m. EST).
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http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/1...assacre-together-we-thrive-in-white-and-blue/

But tonight at the memorial for the Tucson massacre victims, it will be a sea of blue as the White House unveils the “Together We Thrive” logo and slogan.

Yes, the Tucson massacre is being branded
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Seriously, how crass is that?

Can't democrats find even one tragedy they won't try and turn to their political advantage?
 
The saddest thing here is that the right chose not to say 'We never intended anybody to take our words as a cause for harm, and if they did, we are filled with remorse' but instead to take the rhetoric to another unseemly level.
 
RIGHT: Look how the left is mishandling this tragedy!
LEFT: Look how the right is mishandling this tragedy!
Ugh...
 
You gotta hand it to the political vultures. They wasted no time swooping down upon the scene of the crime to begin using the tragedy as a political bludgeon.

Now, that's dedication. The vultures never leave their posts.
 
Toontown said:
You gotta hand it to the political vultures. They wasted no time swooping down upon the scene of the crime to begin using the tragedy as a political bludgeon.

Now, that's dedication. The vultures never leave their posts.
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You left one.
 
BeAChooser said:
That's because it was a rally.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/was_that_a_memorial_service_a.html "Was that a memorial service or a pep rally?"

I think this image from the memorial shows what it really was …

http://i.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/442818.jpg

A pep rally.

And here's more proof.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/the-schedule-for-together-we-t.html



http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/1...assacre-together-we-thrive-in-white-and-blue/



Seriously, how crass is that?

Can't democrats find even one tragedy they won't try and turn to their political advantage?
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BaC do you know no shame? Leave my community alone.

This is from your own link!

As noted above, the University of Arizona announced the Together We Thrive event — and a few readers write in to say that the campus initiated the logo/campaign. Given U of A president Robert Shelton’s embarrassing, thinly-veiled partisan cheerleading for Obama tonight, it may indeed be a 100 percent-campus-initiated campaign
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President Obama didn't do it. We did here in Tucson. Seeing that message on the busses and knowing that we were coming together as a community lifted a lot of spirits yesterday. I own a small coffee shop and I can tell you there is a palpable mood change since the memorial.

If the people who attended wanted to cheer or cry or do jumping jacks that is their choice, not yours. People here were tired of tears and feeling down. We wanted to use the memorial to celebrate the lives of those who died, be thankful for those that survived, and praise those that helped. You don't get to judge us for that, no one does. Call it a pep rally all you want. Be negative and derisive in the face of our pain. I know I can't change that but read my signature line and think about what you are saying and why.

The only thing you take away from this is that free t-shirts were given out? I think you should re-read the presidents speech and think about those words and how we want to carry forward.

Yes this is an emotional event for me and I do not appreciate your attitude.
 
biscuit said:
bac do you know no shame? Leave my community alone.

This is from your own link!



President obama didn't do it. We did here in tucson. Seeing that message on the busses and knowing that we were coming together as a community lifted a lot of spirits yesterday. I own a small coffee shop and i can tell you there is a palpable mood change since the memorial.

If the people who attended wanted to cheer or cry or do jumping jacks that is their choice, not yours. People here were tired of tears and feeling down. We wanted to use the memorial to celebrate the lives of those who died, be thankful for those that survived, and praise those that helped. You don't get to judge us for that, no one does. Call it a pep rally all you want. Be negative and derisive in the face of our pain. I know i can't change that but read my signature line and think about what you are saying and why.

The only thing you take away from this is that free t-shirts were given out? I think you should re-read the presidents speech and think about those words and how we want to carry forward.

Yes this is an emotional event for me and i do not appreciate your attitude.
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this ^^^^^^
 
Alan said:
I thought Obama's speech was very moving. It was his best.
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I would love to follow his suggestion we all get along. Then I remember Boehner claiming compromise was a dirty word, Palin's it's all about me video, O'Reilly's rant that the liberals are all scum, and MSNBCs montage of Glenn Beck urging everyone to take up arms against evil that has stolen the government and is coming to get conservatives.

And it makes me wonder just how to go about 'getting along'.
 
Biscuit said:
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Yes this is an emotional event for me and I do not appreciate your attitude.
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A similar attack was made on the Paul Wellstone funeral and Al Frankin had a reaction similar to the one you are expressing. Frankin was close to Wellstone and the right tried to score points by making up stuff about the funeral that wasn't true.


Did you make it to last night's event?
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Adding to my previous comment: Pard, why don't you find out a bit more about the mental illness, schizophrenia, before you post any more inaccuracies about the disease?

These people's delusions are full of real things they experience in the real world.
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I know. I just don't see what the political climate has anything to do with this guy's delusions. They're delusions.

Should we blame the TV if a schizophrenic hears voices coming from it telling him to kill people? Is TV responsible for his delusions?
 
BenBurch said:
Let me interpret;

Their minds process what they hear as do yours and mine, but in ways that are illogical. If they hear somebody calling Democrats "Demon-rats" and they already have a paranoia about Demons, they may then extend that to Democrats and decide to Save The World.
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So the person calling Democrats "Demon-rats" is responsible for whatever the schizophrenic will do? Is that it?

So from now on, we should be extra-careful about what we say so to minimize the possibility that some schizo somewhere in the world might misinterpret what we say and act upon their delusions.

After political-correctness, here comes schizo-correctness.

Be careful LeftySergeant, next time you say the Republicans are full of bat quano, some schizo might interpret this literally...
 
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It always amazes me when people criticize the way others handle grief. I tried to be clear that I didn't disapprove of the cheering at the memorial, just that it made for an odd viewing.

They were celebrating the lives of people in their community who were tragically killed. They can do that however they want.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I would love to follow his suggestion we all get along. Then I remember Boehner claiming compromise was a dirty word, Palin's it's all about me video, O'Reilly's rant that the liberals are all scum, and MSNBCs montage of Glenn Beck urging everyone to take up arms against evil that has stolen the government and is coming to get conservatives.
And it makes me wonder just how to go about 'getting along'.
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Here's my recommendation:

Then I remember Boehner claiming compromise was a dirty word
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Boehner is in government. Address this issue of Boehner's, figure out to what extent he really means it, and work on compromise anyway.

Palin's it's all about me video, O'Reilly's rant that the liberals are all scum, and MSNBCs montage of Glenn Beck urging everyone to take up arms against evil that has stolen the government and is coming to get conservatives
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None of these people are in government. Ignore them.

Let the ideologues do what they do, and the politicians ignore the over-the-top rhetoric and do their jobs.
If we had to get the pundits on board to get anything done, we never would.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
A similar attack was made on the Paul Wellstone funeral and Al Frankin had a reaction similar to the one you are expressing. Frankin was close to Wellstone and the right tried to score points by making up stuff about the funeral that wasn't true.


Did you make it to last night's event?
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I did not. By the time I locked up the shop I was getting reports of lines stretching almost to my house about 2 miles away. They opened the football stadium as well and showed it on the big screen but it was awfully chilly last night.

I went to a local bar and we shut off the music turned up the audio and I enjoyed a few beers as we mostly sat in silence listening to the speakers. We didn't cheer much but we smiled a lot a cried a little. It was very cathartic. I do not know anyone who can't tell a personal story about last Saturday.

I read the piece on Malchin's website that BaC linked to. Just absolutely disgusting. It denigrated the opening pray from a half mexican half yaqi indian.

Brags about his ethnic Mexican background. Babbles about two-legged and four-legged creatures and the feminine energy that comes from Mother Earth.
Mercy.
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Here in Tucson a lot of us are proud of the various cultures and religions that influence our city. The man he is referring to is a respected doctor and teaches at the U of A. He is the definition of the American dream. Tucson isn't afraid of our mixed heritage we embrace it. The narrow minded bigotry of the author is just sad.

I do think there is way too much anger and spite in our national dialogue and I think both sides are responsible. I don't think Jared was some programmed robot doing any political agendas bidding. I think he was a sad and messed up kid, one that was not helped by our violent and hyper masculine culture. If we aren't going to step back and realize that there is not one way to run this country, that there is not just one way of being a patriot, that we need to be better than we are being than I guess we don't learn anything. Yes, this event has changed me. I am working on getting a blood drive together and hope to make it an annual event on or around the anniversary of this shooting. The line in my signature really struck a cord with me.
 
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