Merged Rep. Giffords Shot In Tucson

Skeptic Ginger said:
"Culture of violence" is not equivalent to "incessant "fear the government" campaign tactic".
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Isn't the above statement a straw man? :confused:

Skeptic Ginger said:
I'm sorry you are wasting so much time arguing against straw men, but it appears it was satisfying for you.
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I'm sorry you view my post as a waste of my time. It helped me clarify my own thoughts to organize them and type them out. Perhaps someone will learn or be persuaded by what I wrote and quoted. Overall I think, not a waste of my time at all.
 
eeyore1954 said:
Most politcal forums are full of hateful rhetoric pointed at Democrats, Republicans, rich people, tea party supporters, etc.
While you cannot control the hate coming out from others you can control your own posts and not encourage those who post hateful items.
And I think (strickly opinion) that people like this shooter are more likely to be influenced by message boards , myspace and youtube. It is in places like that that the irrational hatred can fester and grow.
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Well said.

Hat's off to Travis for acknowledging his error.

deepatrax said:
The shooter Jared Lee Loughner said:

"Government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar"

Sadly, some Democrats in Congress are striving to prove his insane rants to be right...
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Wrong, Loughner thinks words don't have meaning. Democrats AND Republicans are saying, meaningfully, that we should avoid speaking hatefully.


Tumblehome said:
This thread is only nominally about Saturday's shooting; the real subject is the deep political divide in the U.S., and to resolve that, Americans need to undergo a national catharsis, a Civil War of words like is happening in this thread (which, I've noticed, is a microcosm of the whole country; the debate is playing out everywhere just like it is here).

Just my two cents, with all due respect.
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Two cents, but worth much more. :thumbsup:
 
Biscuit said:
I am going to start a new thread in politics around the following.

The loss of these wonderful people should make every one of us strive to be better in our private lives – to be better friends and neighbors, co-workers and parents. And if, as has been discussed in recent days, their deaths help usher in more civility in our public discourse, let’s remember that it is not because a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy, but rather because only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to our challenges as a nation, in a way that would make them proud.
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I look forward to reading your thread (and I admire your posts in this one). Could you post a link to the new thread in this one when you start it?

Was that quote from Barack Obama?
 
ProbeX said:
Ask the forensics officials who collected and examined the evidence.
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Reversal of the burden of proof.

The fact that the death threat is scrawled on a letter dated 2007 only proves it was created after the letter was sent. It is not proof that the threat was made in 2007.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's unfortunate that the point I've made again and again in this and in the related threads continues to be changed to this straw man.

I take you also are unwilling or unable to address the real issue, that of the incessant fear mongering as a campaign tactic.
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So you refuse to answer another simple question once again.

What a surprise.

The 'real issue' here is the shooting.
 
-- February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one "domestic terrorism" too.)
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Joe Stack's angry letter was as much left wing as it was right wing. It held many communist sentiments.

And let's be clear, Joe Stack could have never heard any type of right wing radio and still been royally pissed off at the IRS. His attack was personal.
 
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Kestrel said:
Reversal of the burden of proof.

The fact that the death threat is scrawled on a letter dated 2007 only proves it was created after the letter was sent. It is not proof that the threat was made in 2007.
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Not according to forensics officials.
 
babycondor said:
I'm sorry you view my post as a waste of my time. It helped me clarify my own thoughts to organize them and type them out. Perhaps someone will learn or be persuaded by what I wrote and quoted. Overall I think, not a waste of my time at all.
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This is Skeptic Ginger's MO. When someone makes a comment and she can't handle the content, or someone poses a question and she's reluctant to answer it directly, she just says it's not worth conversing anymore.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I don't have to cite any of this just because you've declared that is what is needed.
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There was never an expectation that you would cite evidence for your sweeping claim just because I'm the one asking for it. No ... figured if you're going to peddle sweeping claims on a skeptical forum (and especially given your moniker), you'd be inclined to produce evidence to support your dubious, sweeping claim.
 
ProbeX said:
This is Skepticgirl's MO. When someone makes a comment and she can't handle the content, or someone poses a question and she's reluctant to answer it directly, she just says it's not worth conversing anymore.
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Ah, the portmanteau approach. Nice.
 
ProbeX said:
Not according to forensics officials.
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This claim is not supported by the article you posted earlier. Do you have another source or are you just making stuff up?

Look at this as a logical exercise. The key question is how could investigators have determined who wrote the death threat and when it was written. If they found the note at Loughner's residence, what kind of evidence would prove that they death threat was written on the note back in 2007? If the note was sent back to Giffords in 2007, and it was written by Loughner, why wasn't it investigated at that time? If it was sent back to Giffords in 2007 and the writer was unknown, how did they link it to Loughner after the shooting?

Both you and the author of the article you linked assumed that the death threat was written on the letter in 2007, but that assumption is not supported by the evidence presented.
 
Forgive me if I'm wrong, and feel free to correct me if so, but I had always interpreted that particular revelation to mean that the note had never been sent, and rather had just been written and locked away in Loughner's home.
 
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