Reincarnation as a trivial scientific fact

[wogoga]

In the thread Demography of Japan - Evidence of Reincarnation I showed that the demographic evolution of Japan constitutes strong evidence for demographic saturation and therefore also for reincarnation. Because of the poor quality of most posts in that thread I start here a new one.

Population of Japan in million and percentage of its current population (source):

2000 126.9 _99.3% | 2003 127.7 _99.9% | 2006 127.8 100.0%
2001 127.3 _99.7% | 2004 127.8 100.0% | 2007 127.8 100.0%
2002 127.5 _99.8% | 2005 127.8 100.0% | 2008 127.8 100.0%​

Whereas the population of Japan e.g. increased from 1970 to 1975 by 8.2 million, the increase from 2003 to 2008 is only 0.1 million. Japan is the best example to test the saturation-thesis because migration is very low, and migration is the most important factor confounding demographic saturation. In a saturated population, the number of births is limited by the number of deaths, because all souls are alive and no child can be born without a soul.

Isn't it a pity that such a simple, fundamental and far-reaching insight as the empirical reality of souls is ignored, and this only because of the quasi-religious prejudices of the currently prevailing reductionist materialism? The effects of saturation will become even stronger in the coming years, and not only in the case of human population and fertility, but also in the food production. If for example the worldwide pig population is already saturated, then an increase in the number of pigs in the developing countries is only possible at the expense of bigs in the developed countries. Such a decrease in the developed countries has already become reality in the case of honey bees. No species can grow beyond a saturation of 100% (in the short term).

Also the spread of diseases such as diabetes can result from a shortage of corresponding psychons (enzyme-souls). There have never been so many humans living all at the same time. In addition to that, the average body size of our species has also been increasing in recent times (a body of 100 kg needs obviously more enzymes than a body of 50 kg). Never in human evolution so many enzymes have been needed in order to perform all the many biochemical tasks of the corresponding world population.

It is easy to ridicule the notion that enzymes can only efficiently work if they are animated by psychons (souls) having learned their tasks over millions of years of biological evolution. But from the point of view of pure reason (Kant) the hypothesis that dead particles are able to perform such complicated tasks as e.g. DNA wrapping and replication is simply untenable.

Cheers, Wolfgang

 

[~enigma~]

In the thread Demography of Japan - Evidence of Reincarnation I showed that the demographic evolution of Japan constitutes strong evidence for demographic saturation and therefore also for reincarnation. Because of the poor quality of most posts in that thread I start here a new one.

Population of Japan in million and percentage of its current population (source):

2000 126.9 _99.3% | 2003 127.7 _99.9% | 2006 127.8 100.0%​

2001 127.3 _99.7% | 2004 127.8 100.0% | 2007 127.8 100.0%​

2002 127.5 _99.8% | 2005 127.8 100.0% | 2008 127.8 100.0%​

Whereas the population of Japan e.g. increased from 1970 to 1975 by 8.2 million, the increase from 2003 to 2008 is only 0.1 million. Japan is the best example to test the saturation-thesis because migration is very low, and migration is the most important factor confounding demographic saturation. In a saturated population, the number of births is limited by the number of deaths, because all souls are alive and no child can be born without a soul.

Isn't it a pity that such a simple, fundamental and far-reaching insight as the empirical reality of souls is ignored, and this only because of the quasi-religious prejudices of the currently prevailing reductionist materialism? The effects of saturation will become even stronger in the coming years, and not only in the case of human population and fertility, but also in the food production. If for example the worldwide pig population is already saturated, then an increase in the number of pigs in the developing countries is only possible at the expense of bigs in the developed countries. Such a decrease in the developed countries has already become reality in the case of honey bees. No species can grow beyond a saturation of 100% (in the short term).

Also the spread of diseases such as diabetes can result from a shortage of corresponding psychons (enzyme-souls). There have never been so many humans living all at the same time. In addition to that, the average body size of our species has also been increasing in recent times (a body of 100 kg needs obviously more enzymes than a body of 50 kg). Never in human evolution so many enzymes have been needed in order to perform all the many biochemical tasks of the corresponding world population.

It is easy to ridicule the notion that enzymes can only efficiently work if they are animated by psychons (souls) having learned their tasks over millions of years of biological evolution. But from the point of view of pure reason (Kant) the hypothesis that dead particles are able to perform such complicated tasks as e.g. DNA wrapping and replication is simply untenable.

Cheers, Wolfgang

 

[Meadmaker]

Also the spread of diseases such as diabetes can result from a shortage of corresponding psychons (enzyme-souls). There have never been so many humans living all at the same time.

I'm curious about something, if you don;t mind my asking. I seem to recall that life expectancy today is greater than in previous ages.

That would suggest to me that diseases killed people even faster back in those days than today.

So, when there were plenty of surplus psychons to go around, there was more disease, on a per capita basis.

How does that fit in with the theory of diseases being caused by psychon shortage?

 

[Lucifuge Rofocale]

In the thread Demography of Japan - Evidence of Reincarnation I showed that the demographic evolution of Japan constitutes strong evidence for demographic saturation and therefore also for reincarnation. Because of the poor quality of most posts in that thread I start here a new one.

Population of Japan in million and percentage of its current population (source):

2000 126.9 _99.3% | 2003 127.7 _99.9% | 2006 127.8 100.0%
2001 127.3 _99.7% | 2004 127.8 100.0% | 2007 127.8 100.0%
2002 127.5 _99.8% | 2005 127.8 100.0% | 2008 127.8 100.0%​

Whereas the population of Japan e.g. increased from 1970 to 1975 by 8.2 million, the increase from 2003 to 2008 is only 0.1 million. Japan is the best example to test the saturation-thesis because migration is very low, and migration is the most important factor confounding demographic saturation. In a saturated population, the number of births is limited by the number of deaths, because all souls are alive and no child can be born without a soul.

Isn't it a pity that such a simple, fundamental and far-reaching insight as the empirical reality of souls is ignored, and this only because of the quasi-religious prejudices of the currently prevailing reductionist materialism? The effects of saturation will become even stronger in the coming years, and not only in the case of human population and fertility, but also in the food production. If for example the worldwide pig population is already saturated, then an increase in the number of pigs in the developing countries is only possible at the expense of bigs in the developed countries. Such a decrease in the developed countries has already become reality in the case of honey bees. No species can grow beyond a saturation of 100% (in the short term).

Also the spread of diseases such as diabetes can result from a shortage of corresponding psychons (enzyme-souls). There have never been so many humans living all at the same time. In addition to that, the average body size of our species has also been increasing in recent times (a body of 100 kg needs obviously more enzymes than a body of 50 kg). Never in human evolution so many enzymes have been needed in order to perform all the many biochemical tasks of the corresponding world population.

It is easy to ridicule the notion that enzymes can only efficiently work if they are animated by psychons (souls) having learned their tasks over millions of years of biological evolution. But from the point of view of pure reason (Kant) the hypothesis that dead particles are able to perform such complicated tasks as e.g. DNA wrapping and replication is simply untenable.

Cheers, Wolfgang

 

[Olowkow]

Well, this is "wogoga".
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/c751111710c31874

Really nifty video at the bottom.

 

[ben m]

Because of the poor quality of most posts in that thread I start here a new one.

Yes, the old thread is trivial scientific evidence of forum-post-souls. The later posts all had diabetes because the Bigfoot thread didn't die fast enough.

 

[Complexity]

In ... untenable.

Cheers, Wolfgang

What a silly bunch of drivel.

A bag of burning woo.

 

[This is The End]

This almost works......... as a simplified analogous fable about over-population, complete with animal protagonists.

 

[quarky]

I'm curious to understand something:
Does the total bio-mass of the planet remain fairly stable? Or is it growing, as it must have from the early days of life on Earth?

Is there an upper-limit on the bio-mass?
Or is the entire planet gradually becoming more organic?

If there is a stasis, then the Hindu type reincarnation of souls makes a better case then the Bhuddist type reincarnation. More pigs means less squirrels, because the squirrel souls have evolved into pig-ville. Eventually, it will be all humans; eating other humans?
The fully evolved state of affairs?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

So is the number of souls limited by "race", by geographic location, or globally? The OP claims all three. They can't all be correct.

How are the new born children of "mixed race" or who's parents move to another country or leave the planet assigned their souls?

Just asking questions.

 

[quarky]

This might be the all-time worst web-site to be asking theological questions.

If it wasn't, I ask this one:

Why does God limp?

 

[Frozenwolf150]

In a saturated population, the number of births is limited by the number of deaths, because all souls are alive and no child can be born without a soul.

Wrong. It happens all the time. For example, I was born without a soul. It certainly has its advantages, the least of which is that it's far less baggage to carry around, and I get to live without the burden of original sin. Plus it helps me avoid detection whenever there's a dementor attack.

 

[wogoga]

Psychon-deficit diseases

Also the spread of diseases such as diabetes can result from a shortage of corresponding psychons (enzyme-souls). There have never been so many humans living all at the same time.

I seem to recall that life expectancy today is greater than in previous ages. That would suggest to me that diseases killed people even faster back in those days than today. So, when there were plenty of surplus psychons to go around, there was more disease, on a per capita basis. How does that fit in with the theory of diseases being caused by psychon shortage?

Psychon shortage is only a problem in what we can call psychon-deficit diseases. And only future research can show how widespread such diseases actually are. In many degenerative diseases such a psychon deficit could be involved. A sine-qua-non prerequisite for classifying a disease as a psychon-deficit disease is an increase in the relative incidence of the disease with increasing population figures.

If it is actually true that "the first historical account of muscular dystrophy appeared in 1830, when Sir Charles Bell wrote an essay about an illness that caused progressive weakness in boys", then it stands to reason to consider muscular dystrophy a psychon-deficit disease. The biochemistry of muscles resp. the work of the involved enzymes (proteins) is astonishingly complex.

The fact that the corresponding "conditions are inherited, and the different muscular dystrophies follow various inheritance patterns" is consistent with the psychon thesis, because to different alleles of a given gene locus can correspond different psychon variants (i.e. related psychon species). If e.g. allele-x psychons of a given enzyme (gene locus) are already saturated (i.e. they all are already incarnated resp. working somewhere), but the human population with two copies of this allele-x (homozygosity) is still increasing in number, then a shortage of working enzymes (for the corresponding gene locus) in this population is an unavoidable outcome, leading to health problems in at least some members of this population.

A person, having only one such allele-x copy and as the second copy an allele-y, does not risk such psychon-deficit problems, if the allele-y psychon-population is not yet saturated, because there are still free allele-y psychons around, being able to do the work.

Cheers, Wolfgang

Isn't it strange that people believing in all the many animals (epicycles) of the current particle zoo of orthodox physics (e.g. neutrinos, quarks, gravitons, gluons) invoke Occam's razor against the wonderfully simple and elegant psychon concept, having explicative power from biochemistry to one of the oldest philosophical problems, the body-mind problem?

 

[Gravy]

I just won a side bet that wogoga's next post would include colored text.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I just won a side bet that wogoga's next post would include colored text.

Sure. Sure. But he did not actually say the word "quantum".

 

[jsfisher]

Isn't it strange that people believing in all the many animals (epicycles) of the current particle zoo of orthodox physics (e.g. neutrinos, quarks, gravitons, gluons) invoke Occam's razor against the wonderfully simple and elegant psychon concept, having explicative power from biochemistry to one of the oldest philosophical problems, the body-mind problem?

If your hypothesis is all that elegant and wonderful, please make a falsifiable prediction based on it.

 

[MattusMaximus]

Wogoga, I can only respond with the following...

 

[MattusMaximus]

If your hypothesis is all that elegant and wonderful, please make a falsifiable prediction based on it.

I second this challenge. I cannot wait to see the response to this challenge. I'm on pins & needles...

Cheers - Mattus

 

[Cuddles]

Psychon shortage is only a problem in what we can call psychon-deficit diseases.

We? Got a mouse in your pocket?

Sure. Sure. But he did not actually say the word "quantum".

Yeah, but he said "quarks". Surely that's close enough.

 

[ben m]

Wogoga, the Earth's population in 1820 was about 1,000,000,000 people, some of whom had MD. Today it's about 6,000,000,000 people. Why aren't there 1,000,000,000 healthy people today---sharing the original stockpile of anti-MS psychons---and 5,000,000,000 with muscular dystrophy?