Reincarnation: Soul Evolution?

[bruto]

Well, you can't, that is my point, people who are actual atheists are only a group when you can round up the scarce commodity from all around the world to go to a forum like this, and virtually do not exist outside of the cyber world.

The point being, you cannot somehow create a body of work that you can present to persuade normal people into giving up their beliefs.
You have to be born with the affliction, it is a defect that occurs and you can justify yourself in your own mind, but you cannot like create a church of the unbelievers out of the general population.

Of course there are lots of people who do not believe one thing or another.

For example, I being a Christian, and if I was somehow exported to a Muslim country, the people there would regard me as a complete unbeliever.
Well, that is something that exists in about all the population of the world, everyone is going to not believe in religions that go against their own religion, but that is a long ways from not believing in some sort of God out there.

Aside from being an incoherent jumble, what you say is also just plain wrong. There are many people who have had religion but given it up.

Quite simply, if you think you are an atheist but pray to god, they you do not think you're an atheist. I'll tell you something else. I was not always an atheist, though I am now, but I never believed in prayer. It is possible to believe in a god without believing in prayer.

 

[Thor 2]

You have not read the thread properly. See my post #76.

OK I read it again. I experienced a light headed feeling half way though and perhaps did before also, hence the lack of recall.

God is gender less too you say. Glad you cleared that up as I have wondered what he did with his sexual apparatus.

Do you believe that we are made in the image of God? If so what other parts do we have, that God doesn't, apart from the sexual bits?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

OK I read it again. I experienced a light headed feeling half way though and perhaps did before also, hence the lack of recall.

God is gender less too you say. Glad you cleared that up as I have wondered what he did with his sexual apparatus.

Do you believe that we are made in the image of God? If so what other parts do we have, that God doesn't, apart from the sexual bits?

A brain?

 

[ComfySlippers]

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God is gender less too you say. Glad you cleared that up as I have wondered what he did with his sexual apparatus.

Do you believe that we are made in the image of God? If so what other parts do we have, that God doesn't, apart from the sexual bits?

Belly Buttons.

Milk Teeth.

Fontanelle.

 

[Pup]

Belly Buttons.

Milk Teeth.

Fontanelle.

Does God eat? If not, that would eliminate some parts.

 

[bruto]

If God has a digestive system, what does he/she eat? Or whom? What color is his/her hair? Is there a special corner of the universe full of god poop?

 

[ComfySlippers]

Belly Buttons.

Milk Teeth.

Fontanelle.

Does God eat? If not, that would eliminate some parts.

If God has a digestive system, what does he/she eat? Or whom? What color is his/her hair? Is there a special corner of the universe full of god poop?

When we are babies we have milk teeth, a spongy fontanelle and a belly button.

These three things alone are necessary for the birth and the "being a baby" process.

We also have 300 bones in our bodies which, by the time we are adults, have fused into 206.

If we are created in god's image, he must be a baby.
If he's a baby, he must have a mother.
If he has a mother, who is she?
Who shagged his mother?
If it was that damned holy spirit again, then he did.

Makey-uppy bollocks is fun to laugh at.

 

[MikeG]

I see you are back to personal insults. I will go back to ignoring you. This thread is at its expiry date anyhow.

You didn't notice whose post that was in response to? You don't think that accusing me of being mentally ill is justification for a strong response?

 

[MikeG]

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You are detached from the great bulk of humanity and are in a small minority if you really are a complete disbeliever.
Seriously, I cannot think of a single person outside of anonymous users on forums who have absolutely no belief in God.
You have an inability to comprehend how ridiculous it sounds to normal people to make such statements, for example, of creating parameters for belief based on a supposed scientific ability to resolve any of the important questions of our own existence.

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You're nonsense about "small minority/ can't think of a single person...." etc says absolutely everything one needs to know about how parochial you are. You live, clearly, in one of the small (and declining) pockets of christianity left on the planet. Luckily, I don't. More than 50% of Britons are atheists. More than 85% of Swedes are atheists. The numbers of religious people in Europe and the rest of the western world is plummeting as atheism takes over.

So, there is the population-wide stuff.........now for the personal anecdotes (and note, that's all you have). I don't know a single person in my wide circle of friends and acquaintances who goes to church. Religion is never talked about here, ever. The default assumption is that people are atheists. Every village in my area has a gorgeous ancient church in it, and they have such small congregations that vicars cover 6, 8 and even sometimes 10 parishes. The services are held in a different church each week, and even when there are 6 congregations combined in the one church they rarely get a dozen people in attendance, and they are all 70 plus years old.

Now, your delightful categorisation of all atheists as either liars or mentally ill begins to look a little stupid when you consider populations. Sweden does not have 85% of the population "mentally ill". Sweden isn't top of the list of countries in terms of percentage of atheists, by the way. It's just that I thought you might possibly have heard of it, whereas Slovenia ........well, let's just say I had my doubts. I laugh at your nonsense about not really not believing: yep, there isn't the faintest shred of belief in me. Nor in anyone I know under the age of 70. There is no such thing as god. God was created by man in his/ her own image. The world looks exactly the way it would if all the processes that went into forming it were natural, and covered by the laws of physics, chemistry etc.

Oh, and "normal people". Yep, that's me, not you. In you tiny little non-representative community, you might be considered normal. The rest of the western world...........you're in the minority.

Just so that we can get a picture of what we're dealing with here........how old is the earth?

 

[MikeG]

.....I being a Christian, and if I was somehow exported to a Muslim country, the people there would regard me as a complete unbeliever...........

Who's told you that? You really do believe whatever rubbish you are told, don't you, without any evidence.

No, in a muslim country, you would be regarded as a christian. Most "muslim" countries have a mix of different religions, including christianity, mixing freely with each other, and many have atheists too. It's pretty clear to me that you have never been in a muslim country (I'd warrant that you've never been outside the USA at all). I have been to dozens of muslim countries: you are wrong, and I am right.

 

[Thor 2]

Belly Buttons.

Milk Teeth.

Fontanelle.

Well I have it with some authority, (I think from a website called "Answers in Geneses") that Adam and Eve were belly button less also.

 

[Resume]

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Number one, a person needs the ability to differentiate between a "thing" and the spiritual, which is the power of thought.

The effects are everywhere and all around us and saturates every aspect of our existence.

This is a good example of what Dennett would term deepities. You've said nothing here.

 

[Lolly123]

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This is a good example of what Dennett would term deepities. You've said nothing here.

Right, and your comment is a good example of your inability for comprehension and just the ability to parrot others in their answering questions with slogans.

I can give an example since this seems to be the extent of your ability to comprehend.

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Let's say you are in a virtual internet social interaction simulation world.
You can have digital land with digital landscaping and buildings and humanoid digital avatars with the ability to move about within this created geography.
Well all of that would be completely meaningless unless there were somewhere in the world real people who go online and log into that world to somehow inhabit those avatars as their spiritual essence, so then there is an engine driving that virtual world where it becomes an actual living community.

Now take that general concept and apply it to the real world. We are not a mass of automaton meat puppets, our society is the result of all the spiritual presences that are attached to those biological entities, by way of the interconnectedness between the soul world and the physical universe.

 

[Lolly123]

Aside from being an incoherent jumble, what you say is also just plain wrong. There are many people who have had religion but given it up.

. . . . and . . . your point being?
"Religion" is like following a menu, and "piety" would be looking at that menu every day to see what is on the menu that day and to take the necessary steps that the priests had determined the religious folk should do that day.
Well, I thought I would put that out there since most people have no idea what the word religion means.
Well, that was the form that we get the word from ,and it was what the ancient Romans did, and to be "scrupulous" was to follow to the letter all the prescribed actions demanded of the devout to acknowledge and respect all the various gods and all their special days which happened to fill up every day of the calendar.
Unlike your post, mine has an actual point, which is giving up "religion" is actually a logical result of the modern thinking mind but again, has nothing to do with real atheism which is a mental disorder.

Quite simply, if you think you are an atheist but pray to god, they you do not think you're an atheist. I'll tell you something else. I was not always an atheist, though I am now, but I never believed in prayer. It is possible to believe in a god without believing in prayer.

Well, God is great, and God is merciful and God knows you and God knows everyone and He knows if you have a disability since everyone has one of one sort or another.
But this one particular one has eternal consequences, unlike most all other ones, which cuts you off from the true source of goodness who is there always to help those who call out to him.
The thing you should do in my opinion is to understand that there is no real lack of God, there is just a lack in you to appreciate the reality beyond what you can touch and hold in a physical way.
Once you acknowledge that deficit in your life, you need to reach beyond that and have faith that when you do pray to God, He will answer you. But the point is to do it now while you have the opportunity, and my saying this to you and you reading it, has just brought judgement day to you and you must heed the call that God is sending to you, if you are to avoid eternal damnation.

 

[Resume]

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Right, and your comment is a good example of your inability for comprehension and just the ability to parrot others in their answering questions with slogans.

Have you read Dennett?

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. . . Now take that general concept and apply it to the real world. We are not a mass of automaton meat puppets, our society is the result of all the spiritual presences that are attached to those biological entities, by way of the interconnectedness between the soul world and the physical universe.

Do you have actual evidence for any of this hooey?

 

[Lothian]

Well, God is great, and God is merciful and God knows you and God knows everyone and He knows if you have a disability since everyone has one of one sort or another.
But this one particular one has eternal consequences, unlike most all other ones, which cuts you off from the true source of goodness who is there always to help those who call out to him.
The thing you should do in my opinion is to understand that there is no real lack of God, there is just a lack in you to appreciate the reality beyond what you can touch and hold in a physical way.
Once you acknowledge that deficit in your life, you need to reach beyond that and have faith that when you do pray to God, He will answer you. But the point is to do it now while you have the opportunity, and my saying this to you and you reading it, has just brought judgement day to you and you must heed the call that God is sending to you, if you are to avoid eternal damnation.

Interesting offer, but I am more of a carrot than a stick man.

Mohammed is offering me a sex party with 40 virgins Chandaka said I would be reborn and start a new life. Frank said I would be allowed to come back as a Ghost but currently Kevin's offer of becoming stardust and going on to be a part of future worlds is the most appealing.

Could you up your offer perhaps, Lollikum? I don't want to lead you at all but if Chocolate hobnobs are involved, that would be looked on favourably.

 

[John Jones]

OH WOW!!
Great comeback!
Do you really think I need to be a scientist to know anything about science?Well the absurdity of the people on this forum is overwhelming, this claim that somewhere out there there are "real" scientists that understand all about life and death and the universe and why we are here, and it then shoots holes through all the human philosophy that has existed for tens of thousands of years.

Well, it is just empty dreams and wishful thinking, that somehow science will save you from the eternal flames of Hell.

No. I think you need to know something about it before pontificating

 

[MikeG]

. . . . .....Well, God is great, and God is merciful and God knows you and God knows everyone and He knows.....

How do you know?

.......have faith that when you do pray to God, He will answer you.......

All the studies show that this is wrong. Prayer doesn't work. The reason for this is of course that there is no such thing as god, and that prayer is actually just you talking to yourself.

 

[bruto]

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Once you acknowledge that deficit in your life, you need to reach beyond that and have faith that when you do pray to God, He will answer you. But the point is to do it now while you have the opportunity, and my saying this to you and you reading it, has just brought judgement day to you and you must heed the call that God is sending to you, if you are to avoid eternal damnation.

Even if I'm wrong and there is a God, your pharisaic prattle is not a message from God. You are not God. You know neither to whom you speak nor for whom. You put a negative case: if there were a God and if you were on his side he'd make you ashamed.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Now take that general concept and apply it to the real world. We are not a mass of automaton meat puppets, our society is the result of all the spiritual presences that are attached to those biological entities, by way of the interconnectedness between the soul world and the physical universe.

Can you show me any evidence of this spiritual presence and the interconnections between your presumed soul world and the physical?

All I see here is opinion. As you are making the claim you should be supporting it.