One problem: belief is somehow supported. You convict someone of a crime because you believe they are responsible, but there's this whole thing between conviction and punishment called a trial, which determines whether or not the accused person is guilty or not guilty. The trial is where you look at evidence! You don't sentence people to life in prison because you believe they're guilty, so don't go assuming I'm not a skeptic just because you believe I'm not a skeptic. It appears that you bring up God becuase you know I can't prove it to you but you can prove it to yourself, and try to use that to distract me from the fact that you don't know why you said I wasn't skeptic. I admit it's funny in a stupid sort of way, but still, that statement is unsupported.
Regarding Franko...
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So do you little Franko, so do you.......oops, sorry, you only believe you have free will "sometimes"...Are you going to provide us with proof for your Free willy? I expect not. You demand others prove what you yourself believe...now that is truly hilarious.Franko said:
Ohh we have plenty of evidence on YOU.
Plus you have insulted the judge, and her followers don’t take kindly to that.
You are obviously NOT a SKEPTIC because of YOUR actions.
If you don’t want to be perceived as a nitwit A-Theist, then I suggest you stop acting like a nitwit A-Theist.
I am not even sure what you are rambling about any more?
Fool you really are a dense little turd aren't you?
I don't expect you to understand "control" you still haven't managed to get the concept of "evidence" down yet.
As in, what is your evidence for non-existent "free willy"?
You are like the elephant. he was utterly obsessed with the idea of "free will" he just had to have it, or it was going to make him insane.
he became very obsessive regarding me and this issue ... just like you have become very obsessive about it.
Why are you so fixated on Me, Fool? Shouldn't You be off trying to find that "killer-evidence" for your magic powers so you can shut me up once and for all?
What is your evidence for "free willy" Fool?
Come on ... you do want to pretend to be a Skeptic don't you? A-Theists are required to pretend to be Skeptics it hurts recruitment if you can't keep up the facade that you are not a Religion ...
I don't expect you to understand "control" you still haven't managed to get the concept of "evidence" down yet.
As in, what is your evidence for non-existent "free willy"?
You are like the elephant. he was utterly obsessed with the idea of "free will" he just had to have it, or it was going to make him insane.
he became very obsessive regarding me and this issue ... just like you have become very obsessive about it.
Why are you so fixated on Me, Fool? Shouldn't You be off trying to find that "killer-evidence" for your magic powers so you can shut me up once and for all?
What is your evidence for "free willy" Fool?
Come on ... you do want to pretend to be a Skeptic don't you? A-Theists are required to pretend to be Skeptics it hurts recruitment if you can't keep up the facade that you are not a Religion ...
De-Bungler...
I’m waiting for YOU to demonstrate the “superiority” of your belief system.
Your “free willy” God doesn’t exist A-Theist (cynical non-Skeptical book-burner) – deal with it.
TLOP controls YOU controls CAR.
We are all aware of what YOU want everyone to believe De-Flunked. I have noticed you getting bitch-slapped by several of the other A-Theists lately. What does that tell you religious fanatic?
I don’t suppose you ever intend on presenting ANY evidence for your dogmatic assertions Non-Skeptic?
I didn’t think so. Instead I command you to continue following me around while whining like a pathetic little girl …
If you are truly tired of having your religious beliefs questioned De-Bunked-by-Me then perhaps you should try your Cult’s official site www.infidels.org
I’m waiting for YOU to demonstrate the “superiority” of your belief system.
Your “free willy” God doesn’t exist A-Theist (cynical non-Skeptical book-burner) – deal with it.
TLOP controls YOU controls CAR.
We are all aware of what YOU want everyone to believe De-Flunked. I have noticed you getting bitch-slapped by several of the other A-Theists lately. What does that tell you religious fanatic?
I don’t suppose you ever intend on presenting ANY evidence for your dogmatic assertions Non-Skeptic?
I didn’t think so. Instead I command you to continue following me around while whining like a pathetic little girl …
If you are truly tired of having your religious beliefs questioned De-Bunked-by-Me then perhaps you should try your Cult’s official site www.infidels.org
Is that your response De-Bungler?
Ohhh, that's right -- you can't respond!
You have NOTHING but Dogma and Faith to support your unfounded fanatical religious beliefs!
Yeah, and when you play D&D Elves and Goblins are more real then the DM sitting next to you -- right?
Ohhh, that's right -- you can't respond!
You have NOTHING but Dogma and Faith to support your unfounded fanatical religious beliefs!
Yeah, and when you play D&D Elves and Goblins are more real then the DM sitting next to you -- right?
Upchurch
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Remeber this? At the time, I agreed with both parts fully, but lately, I've been reminded that life has consequences.Titanpoint said:
Franko brings nothing of value to this board and his continual repition of straw man arguements has caused, in my opinion, harm to it. Franko's behavior is unacceptable and if there were a movement to remove him from the board, I would be in support of it.
Franko has every right to be an offensive jerk, but that is no reason anyone to put up with him.
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Yea... the Compatabilist View on Free Will Thread could have been a perfectly enjoyable discussion on the historical origin of the concept of "free will".
Instead it degenerated into Franko's very own deleting-reposting-deleting-reposting spamming show. It is virtually impossible to have a serious discussion in the midst of all his straw-men, ad hominems and posting antics.
Instead it degenerated into Franko's very own deleting-reposting-deleting-reposting spamming show. It is virtually impossible to have a serious discussion in the midst of all his straw-men, ad hominems and posting antics.
CryingWhiningLoser,
Unfortunately for you Loser, this thread is Regarding Franko and NOT Regarding the Confusionist view on “free willy”. But feel free to post ANY evidence that you have for your ridiculous assertion that you have magical powers CWLunatic.
Ohhh boo-hoo-hoo, when are you going to provide your EVIDENCE for “free willy” CWL, or when are you going to CONCEDE that YOU have been WRONG all along, and your religious beliefs are nothing but a farce – insane wishful thinking and self-delusion?
Unfortunately for you Loser, this thread is Regarding Franko and NOT Regarding the Confusionist view on “free willy”. But feel free to post ANY evidence that you have for your ridiculous assertion that you have magical powers CWLunatic.
Ohhh boo-hoo-hoo, when are you going to provide your EVIDENCE for “free willy” CWL, or when are you going to CONCEDE that YOU have been WRONG all along, and your religious beliefs are nothing but a farce – insane wishful thinking and self-delusion?
De-Bungler,
Define “Religion”.
How else am I suppose to know that you and I are referring to the same thing.
For me a Religion is ones metaphysical beliefs regarding the nature and origin of the Universe. Are you claiming that A-Theism does not fit this description?
There is no such thing as NON-Belief.
If there is, then explain exactly what you mean.
If I flip a coin, I call it “Heads” or “Tails”, where is the non-belief exactly? If I call “Heads” that is a non-belief in “Tails”, but really it is a BELIEF in “HEADS”.
This is basic logic and statistics De-Bungler, is you’re a-Theism based entirely on a faulty understanding of basic logic and statistics? That’s sure what it looks like …
I am making the statement that You A-Theists are JUST as Religious as ANY other Religion, if not moreso. You believe that you have the “One True Faith”, a monopoly on the Truth, that you are “superior” to all other religions, and that any other variety of Theist is a nitwit by comparison.
In short, you believe and act EXACTLY the same as ANY other religious fanatic I have ever observed. Yet you want me to believe you are fundamentally different? You’ll have to make a better case …
A-Theism is just another brand of Theism. It is just another religion claiming to have a monopoly on the Truth, claiming to show the faithful the right and true path, and claiming to be superior to ALL other belief systems.
What does being legally recognized have to do with being a Religion? Are you claiming that a religious person who’s religion is not recognized by some government agency is not really Religious?
Are you serious?
There may be someone living in a cave somewhere who doesn’t know what A-Theism is. So what? If one person in the world doesn’t know what you believe that makes it not a Religion? I gues no one is religious if that is the definition.
Are you seriously claiming that ALL religions must have a temple and weekly mass services? I guess that means Logical Deism isn’t a religion either? Or the ancient Roman, Greek and Egyptian “religions” weren’t religions either according to you?
Yes and yes.
“Scientist” = Priest
“Physicist” = High Priest
“Nobel Prize Winner” = Saint or Demigod
Ohh A-Theism has been around since the dawn of Time – don’t you think?
So much for that prophecy De-Bunk. I think you better get over this “free will” business before you start divining the future …
Ohh is that a threat De-Bungler?
Who really posts the same nonsense over and over again Non-Skeptic? If you really don’t want to hear any dissenting religious opinions perhaps you should find a more appropriate board where your delicate sensibilities will not be offended you pathetic, whiney, little religious fanatic.
www.infidels.org
I predict YOU’LL NEVER provide any evidence for “free willy” – you can’t, and deep down you KNOW it (loser-boy).
Define “Religion”.
How else am I suppose to know that you and I are referring to the same thing.
For me a Religion is ones metaphysical beliefs regarding the nature and origin of the Universe. Are you claiming that A-Theism does not fit this description?
There is no such thing as NON-Belief.
If there is, then explain exactly what you mean.
If I flip a coin, I call it “Heads” or “Tails”, where is the non-belief exactly? If I call “Heads” that is a non-belief in “Tails”, but really it is a BELIEF in “HEADS”.
This is basic logic and statistics De-Bungler, is you’re a-Theism based entirely on a faulty understanding of basic logic and statistics? That’s sure what it looks like …
I am making the statement that You A-Theists are JUST as Religious as ANY other Religion, if not moreso. You believe that you have the “One True Faith”, a monopoly on the Truth, that you are “superior” to all other religions, and that any other variety of Theist is a nitwit by comparison.
In short, you believe and act EXACTLY the same as ANY other religious fanatic I have ever observed. Yet you want me to believe you are fundamentally different? You’ll have to make a better case …
A-Theism is just another brand of Theism. It is just another religion claiming to have a monopoly on the Truth, claiming to show the faithful the right and true path, and claiming to be superior to ALL other belief systems.
What does being legally recognized have to do with being a Religion? Are you claiming that a religious person who’s religion is not recognized by some government agency is not really Religious?
Are you serious?
There may be someone living in a cave somewhere who doesn’t know what A-Theism is. So what? If one person in the world doesn’t know what you believe that makes it not a Religion? I gues no one is religious if that is the definition.
Are you seriously claiming that ALL religions must have a temple and weekly mass services? I guess that means Logical Deism isn’t a religion either? Or the ancient Roman, Greek and Egyptian “religions” weren’t religions either according to you?
Yes and yes.
“Scientist” = Priest
“Physicist” = High Priest
“Nobel Prize Winner” = Saint or Demigod
Ohh A-Theism has been around since the dawn of Time – don’t you think?
So much for that prophecy De-Bunk. I think you better get over this “free will” business before you start divining the future …
Ohh is that a threat De-Bungler?
Who really posts the same nonsense over and over again Non-Skeptic? If you really don’t want to hear any dissenting religious opinions perhaps you should find a more appropriate board where your delicate sensibilities will not be offended you pathetic, whiney, little religious fanatic.
www.infidels.org
I predict YOU’LL NEVER provide any evidence for “free willy” – you can’t, and deep down you KNOW it (loser-boy).
Upchurch
Papa Funkosophy
Very true. This thread started not to discusso free will, but about what should be done about Franko. Personally, I believe he represents everything being a skeptic is not. He is closed minded, unthinking, unyielding in the face of evidence, and illogical in his argument.Franko said:
I appriciate an opposing point of view and love a good discussion, but that is not what Franko offers. One can only guess at his motives, but they are not to have civil discussions with those who differ from him.
While temporary suspension would be welcome, Franko represents the first case where I feel banning is called for. Should the occasion ever arise where a vote is called for, I'm voting him off the island.
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UpPunk,
Which explains why YOU believe in things you can’t prove (”free will”), and I don’t.
Evidence? What is your “evidence” for “free will”? So far you have presented NONE.
Ohh you lying fanatic. You have devoted a great many posts to me. I wonder why? Do you know what the definition of Fear is Upchunk?
Fear … is the sudden realization that you are fighting in the battle of Armageddon for the wrong side.
Whine whine whine. Even if they BANNED me Upchunk (pathetic loser) that won’t make what you believe any less FALSE. Me being banned doesn’t make “free willy” = TRUE. (boo-hoo-hoo)
Maybe you should try a Non-fallacious argument for a change Non-Skeptic?
Or maybe you could be a Man and concede defeat since it is so obvious you are defeated?
Are you going to cry for us some more. Come on you little girl, dry those tears!
How unpredictable? Upchunk wants JREF to be another Infidel.org junior? Maybe you should just cut to the chase Upchunk?
Here is the link: www.infidel.org.
I won’t be back posting there for a while yet. If you run along now you could have an A-Theist-bashing-free, totally non-skeptical environment just like you crave.
But I seriously doubt that JREF is going to acknowledge that Solipsism is True and force everyone here to accept your IGNORE list, you goose-stepping, book-burning moron.
You are a True religious fanatic, and lots of people are seeing it. How does it feel Upchunk?
Which explains why YOU believe in things you can’t prove (”free will”), and I don’t.
Evidence? What is your “evidence” for “free will”? So far you have presented NONE.
Ohh you lying fanatic. You have devoted a great many posts to me. I wonder why? Do you know what the definition of Fear is Upchunk?
Fear … is the sudden realization that you are fighting in the battle of Armageddon for the wrong side.
Whine whine whine. Even if they BANNED me Upchunk (pathetic loser) that won’t make what you believe any less FALSE. Me being banned doesn’t make “free willy” = TRUE. (boo-hoo-hoo)
Maybe you should try a Non-fallacious argument for a change Non-Skeptic?
Or maybe you could be a Man and concede defeat since it is so obvious you are defeated?
Are you going to cry for us some more. Come on you little girl, dry those tears!
How unpredictable? Upchunk wants JREF to be another Infidel.org junior? Maybe you should just cut to the chase Upchunk?
Here is the link: www.infidel.org.
I won’t be back posting there for a while yet. If you run along now you could have an A-Theist-bashing-free, totally non-skeptical environment just like you crave.
But I seriously doubt that JREF is going to acknowledge that Solipsism is True and force everyone here to accept your IGNORE list, you goose-stepping, book-burning moron.
You are a True religious fanatic, and lots of people are seeing it. How does it feel Upchunk?