Regarding 'Debunking the North of the Citgo Theory'

TheLoneBedouin said:
Just for the sake of clarity- how far to the left would you place the plane?
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Why don't you first answer my questions about Morin having the x-ray vision to see through the Navy Annex in order to observe a plane on a NOC flight path. I've only asked that three or four times.
 
Your line points to the light poles and impact point. And you dont see that?
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No, it hits an entirely separate wedge if you take Morin's right bank into account. Its at a different angle than the official flight path- so I don't know how you determined it lines up with the light poles and impact point.
 
TheLoneBedouin said:
No, it hits an entirely separate wedge if you take Morin's right bank into account. Its at a different angle than the official flight path- so I don't know how you determined it lines up with the light poles and impact point.
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How does deliberate, smooth and controlled mean right hand bank? You really aren't very good at this Craig.....go call Alpo for backup...
 
Mangoose said:
Why don't you first answer my questions about Morin having the x-ray vision to see through the Navy Annex in order to observe a plane on a NOC flight path. I've only asked that three or four times.
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First we need to clarify what Morin actually saw.
Morin said:
As I turned to my left, I immediately realized the noise was bouncing off the 4-story structure that was Wing 5. One to two seconds later the airliner came into my field of view. By that time the noise was absolutely deafening. I instantly had a very bad feeling about this but things were happening very quickly. The aircraft was essentially right over the top of me and the outer portion of the FOB (flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB).Everything was shaking and vibrating, including the ground. I estimate that the aircraft was no more than 100 feet above me (30 to 50 feet above the FOB) in a slight nose down attitude. The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn’t be sure. It looked like a 737 and I so reported to authorities.
Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th Wing of BMDO and was heading directly towards the Pentagon. Engines were at a steady high-pitched whine, indicating to me that the throttles were steady and full. I estimated the aircraft speed at between 350 and 400 knots. The flight path appeared to be deliberate, smooth, and controlled. As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light pole down on Hwy 110). As the aircraft flew ever lower I started to lose sight of the actual airframe as a row of trees to the Northeast of the FOB blocked my view. I could now only see the tail of the aircraft. I believe I saw the tail dip slightly to the right indicating a minor turn in that direction. The tail was barely visible when I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon.
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In the above quote, Morin states that the plane "came into his field of view" and was "right over him and the FOB". This suggests that the plane was flying over the annex and that the fourth wing was blocking his view. If this is the case he would not have been able to see it as it passed over the Annex. In fact, he says he only saw the plane in its last moments approaching the Pentagon, not the entire flight path.
 
Enigma said:
How does deliberate, smooth and controlled mean right hand bank? You really aren't very good at this Craig.....go call Alpo for backup...
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Did you miss the part about Morin describing a right bank?
Morin said:
I believe I saw the tail dip slightly to the right indicating a minor turn in that direction.
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TheLoneBedouin said:
In the above quote, Morin states that the plane "came into his field of view" and was "right over him and the FOB". This suggests that the plane was flying over the annex and that the fourth wing was blocking his view. If this is the case he would not have been able to see it as it passed over the Annex. In fact, he says he only saw the plane in its last moments approaching the Pentagon, not the entire flight path.
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Wooops, you left a word out of his description. He said "outer portion of the FOB....."

I'm sure that was an accidental omission. The rest of this tripe are YOUR thoughts, not his words.
 
TheLoneBedouin said:
Did you miss the part about Morin describing a right bank?
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It's noticeable that you want to pay attention ONLY to those items YOU want to see or hear except that he said it was over the OUTER EDGE of the FOB and PARALLEL to that edge.

Cherry picking quotes at it's finest....


BTW: Aircraft can't turn square corners as you drew in your diagram above. A right "tail dip" MIGHT be 1 or 2 degrees if even that. You're ignorant about aerodynamics and you want to critique my paper.....phoooey
 
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Reheat said:
Wooops, you left a word out of his description. He said "outer portion of the FOB....."
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I interpret "outer portion of the FOB" to mean end of 'right wing parallel to the edge of the Annex'.
He wouldn't see the flight path over the Annex and would only be able to see the last moments before the impact as the plane cleared the eighth wing. This is exactly what he describes.
 
BTW: Aircraft can't turn square corners as you drew in your diagram above. A right "tail dip" MIGHT be 1 or 2 degrees if even that. You're ignorant about aerodynamics and you want to critique my paper.....phoooey
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Clearly it was meant to show were the impact would be, not a an exact flight path. 1-2 degrees still ends up in the wrong place, in fact, the only way you could produce a plausible impact is if the plane took a rather sharp left- the complete opposite of what everyone described!
 
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TheLoneBedouin said:
I interpret "outer portion of the FOB" to mean end of 'right wing parallel to the edge of the Annex'.
He wouldn't see the flight path over the Annex and would only be able to see the last moments before the impact as the plane cleared the eighth wing. This is exactly what he describes.
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Bwhahaha. Right wing, huh? How did you arrive at that surprising conclusion?

Who says he didn't see the flight path most of the way to the Pentagon until the trees blocked his view?

See, your crap is not what he said at all. Typical Ranke tripe!

BTW, if the right wing was over the outer edge of the FOB I don't need to redo my paper at all to accommodate that razzle dazzle BS. There is not enough difference in the numbers to justify it.

Now, back to your criticism of my interpretation of Morin's account again. You were saying.....
 
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