Recommend me some epic fantasy

I'm not sure it quite fits within "epic fantasy", but it is fantastic. Especially the first five.

Other Zelazny to watch out for:

Lord of Light

Not sure if i'd describe it as fantasy, or sci-fi, or a re-interpretation of eastern myths... but it's all awesome. (One note, it took me a couple of chapters to get into but then I couldn't put it down).
 
kbm99 is completely correct, btw.

Anyway, moving on:

The Name of the Wind
- first book in a series, and VERY good. Read it.
The Coldfire Trilogy (Black Sun Rising, When True Night Falls, Crown of Shadows) - Best fantasy trilogy I've read in a long time
The First Law Trilogy (The Blade Itself, Before They are Hanged, The Last Argument of Kings) - EXCELLENT fantasy trilogy that manages to defy all conventions. Best Served Cold by the same author is also excellent, but... darker.
The Final Empire (Mistborn, The Well of Ascension, The Hero of Ages) - Excellent, and lighter fantasy series that is incredibly epic. Absolutely amazing, very high recommendation.

Trust me, I've read a LOT of fantasy, and those number among the best ever written.
 
Just finished The First Law, by Joe Abercrombie. Really cool stuff, though the ending is a bit open-ended, with some loose ends still floating around a bit. It's kind of a deconstruction of typical fantasy, with things you'd expect in the most cliché'd stuff there is, yet somehow manages to break pretty much every cliché: a wise old wizard guiding the heroes (except he turns out to be a total *******, and that's putting it mildly), a barbarian warrior (who's actually fairly deep but still exceedingly violent, though he hates to be), a dashing highborn swordsman (who's actually a snivelling, insipid coward), and a warrior woman (who's actually so full of hatred that she lives for nothing else... yet somehow manages to be funny in a dark, morbid humour sort of way). And then you have Sand Dan Glokta, the most awesome, and darkly hilarious characters since Tyrion Lannister: a former soldier who spent two years in a foreign prison, he's now a toothless cripple who recycled himself as a "questioner" who blackmails people (when his victim is exceedingly lucky) or tortures them (which is the usual). He's really horrible, yet somehow, sympathetic and if you love black humour, you'll love that guy. I'd say the books are worth reading for him alone.
Oh no, it's much better than all that. The Wizard is... well... you'll see. The Barbarian is the biggest hypocrite in the world.

And how did you forget our friendly army officer? He's better than all the rest combined somtimes (except our friend Glokta).

Don't worry, the ending WON'T let you down. I'd be very interested to know what you think after reading the entire thing.
 
What about Philip José Farmer's World Of Tiers series? I remember reading that twice as a kid. It's much pulpier than Riverworld but pure world-building goodness. And furry sex.
 
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Oh no, it's much better than all that. The Wizard is... well... you'll see. The Barbarian is the biggest hypocrite in the world.

And how did you forget our friendly army officer? He's better than all the rest combined somtimes (except our friend Glokta).

Don't worry, the ending WON'T let you down. I'd be very interested to know what you think after reading the entire thing.

I didn't forget about West and Ardee, I just didn't list ALL of the characters. :) So, Best Served Cold is the sequel and ending, then? I thought it was a standalone novel set in the same world but not a part of the First Law trilogy...
 
I didn't forget about West and Ardee, I just didn't list ALL of the characters. :) So, Best Served Cold is the sequel and ending, then? I thought it was a standalone novel set in the same world but not a part of the First Law trilogy...
Nah, I must have screwed up my description somehow. The plotlines of the characters in the trilogy are all tied up at the end of The Last Argument of Kings. Best Served Cold is an entirely different novel, set years later, with only one real crossover character (a very minor character in the trilogy is a main character in the book). Though our favorite bank shows up again, of course, and some of the events are referenced, in a very distant way.
 
Nah, I must have screwed up my description somehow. The plotlines of the characters in the trilogy are all tied up at the end of The Last Argument of Kings. Best Served Cold is an entirely different novel, set years later, with only one real crossover character (a very minor character in the trilogy is a main character in the book). Though our favorite bank shows up again, of course, and some of the events are referenced, in a very distant way.

The whole plot of best served cold sounded a bit like a rehash of the recipe of the trilogy, can it stand on its own without constantly thinking "I've seen/read that before in your trilogy, thank you very much"?
 
The whole plot of best served cold sounded a bit like a rehash of the recipe of the trilogy, can it stand on its own without constantly thinking "I've seen/read that before in your trilogy, thank you very much"?
I really don't know what to say to that. The trilogy was a fantasy 'epic' if you will - save the world from the 'king of the northmen,' the cannibal mages and their army, and all the things that are done to stop them.

'Best Served Cold' is a revenge story. One woman, looking to kill some people for what they did to her and her brother. There's no 'grand quest.' There's no 'evil enemy.' Just some people who wronged someone and threw her out a high window after killing her brother. And the people she recruits in her quest to find the people who did this to her and kill them in nasty ways.

I can't even say they're very similar, except in writing style. One stands complete without the other. The only thing that's a tad repetitive is some of the northmen descriptions, as they're mostly similar to the ones Logan used, but it wasn't like chapters of Northmen, just a few descriptions of their honor feuds and clan system.
 
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Nah, I must have screwed up my description somehow. The plotlines of the characters in the trilogy are all tied up at the end of The Last Argument of Kings.
Well, that's where I disagree.


There are loose ends, considering Khalul is still around somewhere. The Gurkish were driven back, but were not completely annihilated. West seems to be dead, but it's not 100% certain (he just collapsed and was taken away). Same for Logen, even the author has vaguely hinted that he might not be dead. And then there's Ferro, who left on some journey.

All of those are obviously ways to create a sequel eventually, IMO.

Ironically, it's the torturer Glokta that got the happiest ending. :newlol


Can you tell me more about The Coldfire Trilogy? You got me curious.
 
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Other Zelazny to watch out for:

Lord of Light

Not sure if i'd describe it as fantasy, or sci-fi, or a re-interpretation of eastern myths... but it's all awesome. (One note, it took me a couple of chapters to get into but then I couldn't put it down).

That's the Hindu one. Creatures of Light and Darkness covers the Egyptian mythos. This book also gave us the "Possibly Proper Death Litany".

Also recommended, This Immortal.
 
Ah Zelazny (rubs hands).... what are you looking for?
Pure fantasy? The it's 'Dilvish the damned' and 'The changing land'
His most amazing sf/fantasy novels are Lord of Light and Cats Eye. The evocation of Navajo mythology in the latter is amazing.
The Amber books needed a better editor, especially the Corwin ones.
As a treat for those who criticised Zelazny's sometimes over-decorative language "A night in lonesome october".
 
Well, that's where I disagree.


There are loose ends, considering Khalul is still around somewhere. The Gurkish were driven back, but were not completely annihilated. West seems to be dead, but it's not 100% certain (he just collapsed and was taken away). Same for Logen, even the author has vaguely hinted that he might not be dead. And then there's Ferro, who left on some journey.

All of those are obviously ways to create a sequel eventually, IMO.

Ironically, it's the torturer Glokta that got the happiest ending. :newlol
I saw it more as tying up their personal journeys. Logen never grew because he lied to himself - his journey began where it started, literally (diving over a cliff into water below, hoping desperately to survive). New enemies, but enemies Logen made with his own actions again. Ferro too - her fate was confirmed by Bayez in the first book. Someday she'll meet someone with more numbers than she can handle, or be careless, and there won't be any mages to rescue her a second time. Maybe there will be a sequel, but I don't think so. I honestly liked his characters in the second book even better, so I doubt he's going to run out of them (he also doesn't strike me as sentimental enough to go fetch old characters for a new trilogy).


Can you tell me more about The Coldfire Trilogy? You got me curious.
Hmm, how to start.
In terms of setting, the world reacts to the beliefs of the people living there - everyone can create things by manipulating the 'Fae.' Unconsciously, this creates Gods, nightmares, monsters, demons. Consciously, this allows people to manipulate it, to become adepts. Humans created a church to focus the fae, to control it by binding it to the idea of a 'creator God,' something no amount of power could make. However, the church has waned, as most people produce Gods that give them pleasure, or food, or things that they need.

In terms of characters, a priest Adept who believes in the nobility of his cause even as he's presented with evidence of its failure, and the man who founded the church so humanity could control the world around them, now an immortal who feeds on fear and terror. Evil, but with a streak of belief (not in a higher being, but in humanity itself).

In terms of plot, a powerful woman robbed of her powers by mysterious demons, and a quest to figure out who did it, what happened, and whether humanity can rise above itself, or fall back into war, chaos, and madness at the behest of the demons we created.

Interesting series, epic but also intensely personal. Some interesting commentary on our church and religion in there, if you care to read into it, or just a sprawling epic fantasy series if you don't (it's not like 'His Dark Materials,' which gets very preachy (I know, preachy atheism, but that's the best way I can describe it) at the end).
 
I read very little Fantasy...But China Mieville's New Crobuzon series (Perdido Street Station, The Scar and The Iron Council) are usually where I start. My Girlfriend has been reading what seems to be a really cool book called Oryx and Crake as well
 
I read very little Fantasy...But China Mieville's New Crobuzon series (Perdido Street Station, The Scar and The Iron Council) are usually where I start. My Girlfriend has been reading what seems to be a really cool book called Oryx and Crake as well

I'm not sure I'd qualify that as epic fantasy. The Iron Council, maybe. But Perdido Street Station and The Scar were mostly about people caught up in events. If anything, Mieville is more of an anti-epic writer, someone who focuses on a few individuals in the midst of an epic storyline, their individual triumphs and follies more important than the events occurring around them (this is ESPECIALLY true of The Scar, which is one of the best books I've ever read, but in no ways epic fantasy).

Just think about how much screentime the Possible Sword got in The Scar. A weapon that puts to shame every single object Tolkien came up with, and it got what? Two pages or so?
 
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I recommend trying to track down some of the Tekumel novels by M. A. R. Barker starting with "The Man of Gold." They are quite good if you looking for something other than the standard medieval-Europe-inspired motifs.
 
The Good:
I haven't seen anyone mention Michael Moorcock. Nearly all of his stuff is excellent. I particularly recommend the Elric Saga, and Corum series. The Hawkmoon and Erekose books are also good, but they both tend to get a bit whiny at times, particularly Erekose. The Second Ether books are also superb, but a bit difficult reading at times, since they jump back and forth between the main narrative, and a bizarre, somewhat surrealist secondary narrative connected to the main thread in rather odd ways. Dancers at the End of Time is extremely strange, and doesn't really fit into either sci-fi or fantasy. Von Bek is pretty standard fantasy, but well-written; and Nomad of the Time Streams is sort of proto-steampunk.

L.E. Modessitt's Saga of Recluce is one of the best written fantasy series' I've encountered. Some people findit repetitive, and he does tend to write fairly similar characters and stories; but this only really applies to about 3 or 4 books, and all of them have significant variations. The character types are similar, but the characters themselves are well-developed individuals, and each reacts to circumstances in his own way. And he does explore some vastly different character types and situations in most of the books. One caveat, despite what anyone else tells you, the series is best read in publication order, not in chronological order, for various reasons.

Stephen Donaldson has some good work as well. The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant have already been mentioned, and derided. I think the main reason people don't like this work is that Covenant isn't a Hero, nor is he a standard Anti-Hero; and is very difficult to sympathize or identify with at first. The books are very dark, and take some effort to read, but are well worth perusing. Mordant's Need is a much shorter series, but lighter and more traditional fantasy than Covenant. Although it's not fantasy, I'll also mention the Gap Cycle. It's essentially a sci-fi interpretation of Wagner's Ring Cycle; and while unrelentingly dark and grim, is also very well written.

Louise Cooper's Mirage is highly recommended. The Time Master trilogy is formula fantasy, but quite good at it. The Chaos Gate sequel, and Star Shadow prequel trilogies are not as good, but still worth reading. Avoid the Indigo books.

The Not-So-Good:
Piers Anthony's fantasy and space opera are kind of hit and miss. Xanth is okay at first, but quickly degenerates into pure unadulterated crap. The Mode books are inconsistant, and indulge some of Anthony's rather odd fetishes; as well as his highly prevalent rape fetish. Cluster tends to combine some of the worst aspects of old-school space opera; although I have to mention that he does a very good job of creating a completely alien mode of sexual reproduction, and then finding a way to work a rape scene out of it. Geodessey is ludicirous. Incarnations of Immortality has some interesting moments, but is inconsistent. The books I would recommend are Cthon and its sequel [/i]Phthor[/i], although technically they're space opera; the Battle Circle trilogy, and the Of Man and Manta trilogy, which is also space opera. I should mention that all of Anthony's works, with the exception of Xanth and Of Man and Manta, you're going to be subject to multiple, often highly graphic, rape or attempted rape scenes. Bio of a Space Tyrant is the worst for graphic and violent; while Pornucopia consists of little else, played for humour.

David Eddings is grossly overrated. His plots are formulaic with gaping holes; his characters are flat, trite, and frequently carry the idiot ball.

Robert Jordan is also badly overrated. His books are full of pointless filler; his characters are all idiots, relationships are all bad stereotypes, and he spends a lot of time ripping off other, better work.

Terry Goodkind is to be avoided like the plague. Unless you like poorly written Objectivist screeds disguised as fantasy novels. Seriously, the guy badly wants to be Ayn Rand; but is nowhere near as talented. I read up through Faith of the Fallen (which is pretty much just a re-write of The Fountainhead out of sheer trainwreck fascination before nausea prevented me from continuing.

Saberhagen's Lost Swords books read like they were written for by Jr. High Schoolers.
 
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L.E. Modessitt's Saga of Recluce is one of the best written fantasy series' I've encountered.

The Not-So-Good:
Piers Anthony's fantasy and space opera are kind of hit and miss. Xanth is okay at first, but quickly degenerates into pure unadulterated crap.

David Eddings is grossly overrated. His plots are formulaic with gaping holes; his characters are flat, trite, and frequently carry the idiot ball.

Robert Jordan is also badly overrated.

Saberhagen's Lost Swords books read like they were written for by Jr. High Schoolers.

You have your points about the flaws of Eddings, Anthony, Saberhagen and even Jordan, but "The Magic of Recluse" is orders of magnitude dumber, triter, and more poorly written than all of them put together.

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You have your points about the flaws of Eddings, Anthony, Saberhagen and even Jordan, but "The Magic of Recluse" is orders of magnitude dumber, triter, and more poorly written than all of them put together.

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Yeah, second this. "The Magic of Recluse" is the literary equivalent to being hit in the face with a cricket bat.
 

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