Racial segregation is legal in the U.S?

[Delvo]

No-one has argued this. You can't publicly state that you are having a function that excludes people purely on skin colour. It's a common thing in democracies.

Of course you can have a function where you only invite people of a specific race, but you couldn't advertise it in a way that excluded anyone.

You can't exclude a person because of skin colour. Anywhere.

Do Australian dating websites lack racial & ethnic options in the "what kind of person are you looking for" sections? And are there no such websites that are specific to certain races or ethnicities?

 

[Gazpacho]

I tried to be clear that it's the public nature of this case that would (imo) make it illegal in Australia. Why wasn't the homecoming queen invited to the homecoming event? Because she's black. Nothing "private" about this.

How is that not private?

The public/private distinction in US law is a complicated and highly ideological one, but a good starting point is this: An event is public if it is held pursuant to some identifiable government legislation. Otherwise it is private.

 

[lionking]

I'm absolutely boggled that so many are defending this clear case of segregation by trying to argue that the Prom has nothing to do with the school and is like a private party.

It's been acknowledged that the school promotes the Prom and sells tickets. It's a school sanctioned event, however much this is an inconvenient truth.

 

[Gazpacho]

It's been acknowledged that the school promotes the Prom and sells tickets. It's a school sanctioned event, however much this is an inconvenient truth.

The school does not promote the prom. The students promote the prom, at the school. I'm on the other side of the country; my moral condemnation isn't going to make a bit of difference in Georgia.

 

[triforcharity]

You can't exclude a person because of skin colour. Anywhere. This is a school function. It involves school students. The fact that it's held off-campus doesn't make it private. I'm sure the entire student and teacher body is fully aware of the hows, whys, whos and whens of the dances.

The fact that the school knows about it, is irrelevant. A private event is just that, private. Subject to no segregation laws, as it's private. The government doesn't regulate, and cannot regulate, a private party. It's a 1st Amendment issue.

 

[SezMe]

I'm absolutely boggled that so many are defending this clear case of segregation by trying to argue that the Prom has nothing to do with the school and is like a private party.

It's been acknowledged that the school promotes the Prom and sells tickets. It's a school sanctioned event, however much this is an inconvenient truth.

I have seen nobody defend segregation. I have seen people arguing whether the prom met legal standards. I defy you to cite a post in this thread defending segregation, per se.

 

[SezMe]

I'm sure the entire student and teacher body is fully aware of the hows, whys, whos and whens of the dances.

Sadly, no doubt, Shiner. Where do you think these young bigots got their pathetic views. The fight against bigotry is progressing but it's a long, ugly crawl. I give the kids who fought this racial bias a full five-star rating.

 

[lionking]

I have seen nobody defend segregation. I have seen people arguing whether the prom met legal standards. I defy you to cite a post in this thread defending segregation, per se.

Several people have said that they can invite who they want to their party, and extend that line of reasoning to the Prom. Not exactly "per se", but close enough for me.

 

[triforcharity]

I'm with you on that Sexme! Those kids deserve a huge amount of respect. I'd buy them a beer.....

 

[triforcharity]

Several people have said that they can invite who they want to their party, and extend that line of reasoning to the Prom. Not exactly "per se", but close enough for me.

So, if I put together a party, say, an after-game, friday night party, and I invite people I want who pay a fee to attend, even if it's widely known about, it must be supported by the school, thereby not private? I'm confused.

It's a private Prom, organized by students and parents. They're welcome to invite whomever they want. Is it racist to not invite a single black person because you don't want them there? Hell yes. Absolutely disgusting, and something I would never condone nor support, nor would my children be allowed to attend.

Is it LEGAL? Not school sanctioned, not school funded, nothing to do with the school whatsoever. Most likely, 100% legal.

 

[RemieV]

Several people have said that they can invite who they want to their party, and extend that line of reasoning to the Prom. Not exactly "per se", but close enough for me.

Defending their right to be ******** is not the same as being pro-segregation.

 

[Shiner]

Just posting some info.

Another news article.
http://www.wsav.com/story/21866654/macon-students-fight-segregated-prom

The school website.
http://www.wilcox.k12.ga.us/?page_id=114

Wilcox County High School
Beliefs

Teachers must have high expectations for all students.

Appropriate educational programs should be provided for each child.

Students who are taught moral and ethical values will develop mutual respect for all people.

Students learn best in a safe, stimulating, and motivating environment.

A positive, caring school climate, parental involvement, and supportive community nurture everyone’s self-esteem.
The amount and rate of learning varies from student to student.

Assessment results should be used to modify and adjust teaching strategies to meet the needs of individual students.

Students need to acquire basic academic and critical thinking skills to succeed in an ever-changing technological society.

Good parent/teacher communication will increase academic achievement and promote better behavior.

All children should be treated equally and justly.

And they do this by not having a prom. Which is as good as segregation. Knowing full well that the (white?) community wishes for segregation.

Knowing that a school function will cause racial tension? That looks like complicity to me. I'm thinking the "parental involvement" may be having the reverse effect on self esteem.

 

[Meadmaker]

I'm absolutely boggled that so many are defending this clear case of segregation by trying to argue that the Prom has nothing to do with the school and is like a private party.

It's been acknowledged that the school promotes the Prom and sells tickets. It's a school sanctioned event, however much this is an inconvenient truth.

Nothing of the sort has been acknowledged. They don't promote it, sell tickets to it, or sanction it in any way. In Wilcox County, there is no official prom.


It appears there will be one next year, and it will be integrated, as it must be by US law.

 

[Caper]

And was that science fair for whites only?

No but come one... white and Asians only do science fairs.

 

[Noztradamus]

http://www.aboriginal.org.au/

"The objectives of Aboriginal Benefits Foundation are to promote, provide and carry out activities, facilities and projects for the benefit and welfare of Aboriginal communities throughout Australia and the members of those communities."

Looks like they discriminate against non-aboriginals, and even get tax breaks for it.

In practise aboriginalty only means: "memberships of a private self selecting group that controls admission to its ranks"

Thse people are aboriginals and officially recoginsed as such and receive benefits of "aboriginality" (despite some of them being highly paid academics and lawyers)

These people are not aborigines

 

[Gazpacho]

These people are not aborigines

That man was certified, after some delay.

 

[lionking]

In practise aboriginalty only means: "memberships of a private self selecting group that controls admission to its ranks"

Thse people are aboriginals and officially recoginsed as such and receive benefits of "aboriginality" (despite some of them being highly paid academics and lawyers)

These people are not aborigines

Okay, off topic I know, but what's your definition of aboriginality? Be specific.

 

[Accidental Martyr]

What was that like? Did you grow up in the middle of nowhere?

Is your home town still all white?

I grew up in rural Alabama in a town of about 600 people. This was pre-Internet and cable TV wasn't available there. It was a very sheltered place. I imagine it's slightly less now with Internet and cable/sattelite TV. I never met a black person until I left and went to college. My mother still lives there but I don't visit much since I really didn't like growing up there. As far as I know, it's still all-white.

 

[quadraginta]

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And I would again argue that the school is participating in this discrimination.

I'd be willing to bet the elected courts of both proms appear in school publications, and I'd be surprised if there weren't photos of them in the yearbook.

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Is this what you meant?

And when the school decided to elect only one pair for homecoming queen and king for the first time this school year — mmhmm, homecoming is segregated, too — and one of the integrated prom-organizing students won, she still wasn't allowed to attend the white homecoming. The king and queen took separate pictures for the school yearbook.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

And they do this by not having a prom. Which is as good as segregation. Knowing full well that the (white?) community wishes for segregation.

Knowing that a school function will cause racial tension? That looks like complicity to me. I'm thinking the "parental involvement" may be having the reverse effect on self esteem.

Exactly.

And unless these news articles are tremendously misleading, these events are known to everyone in the county as the Wilcox County High School Proms. I think the school has more of a burden and can't just look the other way knowing full well what's going on. (If the "Wilcox County High" appears on the tickets or flyers or photos and the school is aware of it, their inaction is also evidence of tacit complicity.)

BTW, apparently the same thing happens there wrt the Homecoming Dance and the election of two racially segregated Homecoming Courts.