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Questions on Mormons

chance said:
Just MeA question of authority. No doubt a Mormon considers himself to be a Christian, yes?

With the advent of latter day saints, what is the authorative word on any aspect, the book of Mormon or the Bible? What is the process?

Do Mormons expect further saints to come along like Smith and Young?
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In the 1800's mormon distinguished themselves by saying they were not christian because all the christian churches were wrong.
At this time mormons consider themselves christian.How I understand, nonmormon christians divide christians as catholic or protestant.
Mormons consider themselves neither because the "true" church of Jesus disintegrated when all his apostles died and the power of the priesthood was lost. Therefore the Catholic church is wrong. Protestant churches came about in protest of the catholic church which the mormon church (they claim) did not but was restored, with the preisthood.

The book of mormon overrides the bible whenever there is a difference in doctrine. This is spelled out in the Articles of Faith #8:

We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_st.htm

All members of the mormon church are considered saints.
 
Major Correction

The owner of the hotel chain I mentioned in post 13 (I think) was Marriot not Hyatt.
I eat my crow.
 
Just Me said:
What is the Hatrack River?
on google it seems to be a publishing company.
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Hatrack River is an online community of fans of Orson Scott Card, a famous Mormon author, primarily of science fiction.

I believe that Hatrack River was one of the settings for one of Card's series of books, The Tales of Alvin Maker.

The online community was originally set up on AOL, run primarily by Katherine Lovejoy, a long-time friend (and sometime co-author) of Card.

IIRC, AOL stopped allowing the presence of online communities, and Hatrack River then became a web site.

JustMe, if you haven't read Card's books, you might give them a try. You'll find Mormon themes (some obvious, others less so) in most of them. And they are, in general, very well-written. I've been a fan for decades.
 
RSLancastr said:
JustMe, if you haven't read Card's books, you might give them a try. You'll find Mormon themes (some obvious, others less so) in most of them. And they are, in general, very well-written. I've been a fan for decades.
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Thx for the info! I'll puruse the Goodwill's and used bookstores.
 
Just Me - I have been reading a certain "orange" thread that has consumed my limited capacity to untangle double negatives, you should head over and try "Killing Sagan's Dragon".

I will read this thread as soon as I can.

I was stunned to hear that Card is a Mormon. It's not the first time that I have realized that "religious" people can be quite brilliant, but I forget that lesson and I revert to my usual cynical outlook of them. I am mostly a fool, with a little bit of idiot mixed-in.
I would give my left reproductive orb to have Card come and debate with Piggy and some of the other big-hitters on this board, what a thread that would be.

The other person I admire(d?) was Beck. I love his music. To find that he is a died-in-the-wool Scientologist shook me soundly. I am forced to redress my notions of both blindly admiring artists and authors, and to push my own predjudice against religious belief aside.
 
Donn said:
I was stunned to hear that Card is a Mormon.
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Well, some of his stuff is explicity about Mormons, such as The Folk of the Fringe (a collection of short stories set in a post-apocalyptic society centered in Salt Lake City), Lost Boys (I think I have the title right - a Stehen-Kingish novel featuring a Mormon family) and Saints (a historical novel following the life of one of Joseph Smith's wives.

In other of his works, some characters are Mormons, such as in Ender's Game, where one of his parents is (I believe) atholic, and the other Mormon. i think this is only hinted at in the original novel, but is explicitly stated, or at least further explored, in some of the latter books in the series.

His Memory of Earth series is a science-fiction retelling of one of the major stories in the Book of Mormon, although someone not familiar with the Book of Mormon would probably not know that.

Ins some of his works, the Mormon influence is a bit more subtle.

In his Tales of Alvin Maker series, the main character is in danger whenever he crosses a body of water (something mentioned often in early Mormonism), and Card has the local protestant minister (a bad guy) spouting nonsense which JS and BY mocked preachers of their day for saying ("God sits atop a topless throne...").

Also, some of his works center around a boy who had a visitation with angels/aliens/whatever telling them that they were special, as JS claimed happened to him when the Angel Moroni visited him as a boy).

There's other stuff more subtle. I read an interview with Card (or perhaps it was in the preface to something) where he said that people have often mentioned Mormon threads in one or other of his works which he did not even conciously put there, but which, once they were pointed out to him, were undeniably there.

Card also writes pieces for Mormon newspapers and web sites, and has written at least one liturgical play for them (Mormons are big on plays).

So yes, the clues are there! :D

But some of them are less obvious to someone not familiar with Mormon culture and scripture than they would be to a Mormon.
 
Donn said:
The other person I admire(d?) was Beck. I love his music. To find that he is a died-in-the-wool Scientologist shook me soundly. I am forced to redress my notions of both blindly admiring artists and authors, and to push my own predjudice against religious belief aside.
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Beck as in, "2 turn tables and a microphone." ????? :eek:

Say it isn't so. I listened to that in high school. I did . . . things. . . to that music.:blush:
 
RSLancastr said:
The online community was originally set up on AOL, run primarily by Katherine Lovejoy, a long-time friend (and sometime co-author) of Card.
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Wink wink. Nudge nudge. And it doesn't have anything to do with bleeding the beast. That never happens.
 
Okay, I had the name wrong. Her name is Kathryn Kidd, and she co-authored the book Lovelock with Card.

Somehow I twisted that into her name being Katherine Lovejoy.

Sorry.
 
Just Me said:
I would have to disagree, SOMEWHAT, on the term "fringe religion" when talking of mormons today. They now go out of their way to be normal, educated, family oriented people.
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It's interesting that sociologists have been studying how long it takes a new religion to move from crazy/cult status to being considered legitimate. The Mormons took something on the order of 100 years for this to occur, while for Scientology, it's pretty much established what, 30 years later? Which is a disturbing trend if one thinks about it.
 
Donn said:
Along with the Mormons there are 7th Dayers and Jehova's Witlesses - all taking their pound of cash I'm sure.
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Say what you like about their strange beliefs but the Witnesses are the only church I know of that doesn't pass a collection plate, or tithe, so they can't be accussed of taking their pound of anything.
 
I had a Mormon friend in high school. He refused to drink any pop with caffeine in it. Is that standard? I remember he was quite shocked when I pointed out that the Cherry Coke he was drinking was just regular Coke with cherry flavouring. :D
 
ernon said:
Say what you like about their strange beliefs but the Witnesses are the only church I know of that doesn't pass a collection plate, or tithe, so they can't be accussed of taking their pound of anything.
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I don't know about a collection plate, but Mormons definitely tithe.

Jon. said:
I had a Mormon friend in high school. He refused to drink any pop with caffeine in it. Is that standard? I remember he was quite shocked when I pointed out that the Cherry Coke he was drinking was just regular Coke with cherry flavouring. :D
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As is mentioned earlier in the thread, drinking Coke and Pepsi is not forbidden in Mormon doctrine, but some Mormons choose to interpret the "word of wisdom" which forbids the drinking of coffee and tea to extend to any caffeinated drink.
 
RSLancastr said:
As is mentioned earlier in the thread, drinking Coke and Pepsi is not forbidden in Mormon doctrine, but some Mormons choose to interpret the "word of wisdom" which forbids the drinking of coffee and tea to extend to any caffeinated drink.
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Right as usual, though more accurately D&C 89 (word of wisdom) references "hot drink" which has been interpreted to coffee and tea (yes, iced tea is also a hot drink :boggled: )
During my 4 years in high school seminary has pointed me to the mormon culture that you should not become adicted to anything (caffiene) and it is the addiction that is bad. -sorry, grammar.
 
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