Edge, you are spending a lot of time trying to convince people in this thread. You do, of course, have the right to spend you time any way you wish. However, I am extremely confident that if you finalized your dowsing protocols and were able to offer scientific proof of dowsing, then a great many people would be far more willing to listen to what you have to say.
So how's chances of proving dowsing before proving God's existence?
Well for me God has been proven.
Dowsing too, because I lived it I had to eat from it, I had to buy gas from it, I needed dog food, cat food, parts, and many shovels.
I’m not a lucky guy, some people are and they go out and hit big but only usually once.
I have been very consistent and kept on going when they stop. I watched it happen, and in the long run I have won. There is always a unspoken contest to see who wins for the year guess who won?
One guy found a 7-ounce nugget up stream from me the year before and every one and his brother went to that area but he got the load along with a few ounces of smaller stuff.
I already knew it was gone so I didn’t waste my time there the next year.
The next year others did.
Because according to scientific studies dowsing shouldn't work, yet when I mine it does work, at least 90% of the time it is correct, is he going to allow it to be proven, I don't know?
The whole thing about dowsing is, it's about the manipulation of the field around us.
It is not a phenomenon or channeling of spirits. For some reason most believe that it is, or physiological motor responses, I can take you in the field and show you each and every time, but it might take you months to believe.
Digging for heavy metals is a slow process.
This may lead to exactly what we need and a type of physics that may be too dangerous for us at this time.
I can’t tell you what I envision or why yet, till I prove it, if I do I’ll have something to say. ? I hope and I pray because we need something new.
My chances are good.
mylfmyhnr says,
that's a very Mormon view point
I have always thought that science has some things right and all the other religions have something that is right to offer.
but this is my point, he decided that we would be made as we are, sinful, and he also decided that he wouldn't tolerate the sinful in his presence. if that's not a catch 22 i don't know what is.
We weren't sinful to begin with and the catch 22 is gone, how do you keep missing this fact?
but he has, in essence, set us up for this failure. he created mankind. either we are a flawed design (ie we did what he told us not to and he wasn't prepared for that) or he intended us to fall and go through life.
You can't blame god for our mistake, our mistake was to listen to some one else and lesser god, an angel who fell into sin and made sin possible.
My parents told me one thing but my friends told me another and hence my teenage years.
Who loved me more?
But I had fun and paid for some of that in many ways that I could not have foreseen, even now and now we all say what? “If I had only listened".
It's a simple analogy but it's the same, are my parents still angry?
well, you could say it didn't look good in the garden either, yet here we are.
But think, evil has grown with us it evolves my parents had some tuff times yet do morels keep getting worse or better.
They surly didn't have the temptations that we do now and you can tell just by some of the programs on TV and especially commercials.
If some of the skin lotion commercials get any more riskay they will be naked.
My parents didn't have L.S.D. or pot or any thing that we are tempted with today, how about real devil tools coke, rock, heroin, meth.
The only thing that I have seen that brings these people back to reality is church based rehabs, nothing else works.
At least not for most.
Those drugs are being used by the devil, have you ever asked some one strung out on one of these about their visions?
After about 6 days or so of being awake they are in his presents and asked will you worship me.
Bruto says,
This is not a question of who has faith and who doesn't, and it's really not even a question of whose faith ends up being right. Imposing preconceived biblical boundaries on science is an anti-scientific poison pill, and that would be so even if, in the end, science were to conclude and agree that every single word of the Bible is true!
As long as science says onward and upward I don't have a problem but when it looks back and says there is no god because that's what you are doing, then I got a problem and not all people of science do that.
I can see if a person doesn't want to follow the word that's cool but to sway others through reasoning that may be false, when there’s other explanations, that is still going to be your problem in the end.
No one is putting boundaries on science but science is putting boundaries on God and that's not right.
Who's putting the poison pill where?
then had to sacrifice to fix our mistake?
Said and done so what's the problem?
Move on please it’s a good thing.
I have seen my father do this for me and I do it for my child and she will do it for her child and that's why we are family.
This is why we rely on each other and God.
If you demand that theories and results fall within the bounds of a preconceived set of biblical norms, you are demanding that science be fatally corrupted, and that anti-scientific ideas be represented as scientific.
What was the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
There are no bounds any more.
We didn't need science till the fall.
Science is not corrupt it's how we use it that's corrupt, we can make electricity with fission but we can kill with it too and have.
Plus we are dealing with massive amounts of waste from it that we just bury in our yards.
Is it going to hurt us, who knows, Then we also have the science to send it into the sun why do we bury it?
Greed? Stupidity?
I did read some of your links to the livescience sites, and they were very interesting. I'm not sure how that pertains to my argument. They appear to discuss matters of paleontology in ways that do not accord very well with faith in biblical inerrancy.
Do you think that the flesh they found in T rex is 70 million years old?
I could see it being less, which starts to coincide with both time lines biblical and scientific.
They both can't be wrong t and they both can't be right.
There must be a happy median.
I did read some of your links to the livescience sites, and they were very interesting. I'm not sure how that pertains to my argument.
Some of the guys on their forum are over here too.
It is interesting. I get them to e-mail those pages, they cover a lot of stuff especially with Nasa and Hubble and such.
I said
If there weren’t two enigmas, especially about how we came about then this wouldn't be necessary because I am certain about my beliefs and I am certain that the fossils indicate that other drastic forms of creatures existed in the past the only thing that an evolutionist lacks is faith that there must be an explanation.
I should have said, the only thing that an evolutionist lacks is faith that there must be an explanation for both causes to be right.
so, how many jews became disciples of the messiah at the time he was preaching? and just after his death? what was it that caused the shift in religion to christianity?? it wasn't the messiah, very few believed him and they did let the romans kill him, after all.
The ones that did believe and bothered to stick it out seen him defeat death, no other religion has done that.
And of course the ones that didn't, kept going on in their own faith, but yet had guards placed at his tomb. Greed?
I know it's an issue for you guys but this is the reason, why else has it survived?
