Questions for 911files about his research

[Drudgewire]

Nope. It doesn't matter where it was recorded. See here from the same link Turbofan provided but didn't bother readsing (surprise surprise surprise!):

As I said, I'm no lawyer and shouldn't presume to know everything based on Internet links.

 

[Turbofan]

Nope. It doesn't matter where it was recorded. See here from the same link Turbofan provided but didn't bother reading (surprise surprise surprise!):

1. Federal Law requires only one party consent. Being the call happened across state lines, you're clear under Federal Law.

2. Although it is advised (read: not mandatory) to apply the state with the more strict law, Case Law provides direction that the law applied is shown to be the one from the state in which the "injured" resides. In laymens terms, Farmer is SOL here since he resides in TN which requires only one party consent and im sure the Orange County prosecutor isnt going to want to waste CA Taxpayer money to prosecute a he said/he said based on a cry baby from TN, especially since no one was injured (ego doesnt count Farmer). Clearly the Prosecutor will see a cry baby in Farmer.

 

[Drudgewire]

im sure the Orange County prosecutor isnt going to want to waste CA Taxpayer money to prosecute a he said/he said based on a cry baby from TN, especially since no one was injured (ego doesnt count Farmer).

Considering you're writing all this in support of an organization who are sure a plane didn't hit the Pentagon you'll have to excuse the rest of us for doubting your unquestionable knowledge of... well... anything.

 

[WildCat]

1. Federal Law requires only one party consent. Being the call happened across state lines, you're clear under Federal Law.

2. Although it is advised (read: not mandatory) to apply the state with the more strict law, Case Law provides direction that the law applied is shown to be the one from the state in which the "injured" resides. In laymens terms, Farmer is SOL here since he resides in TN which requires only one party consent and im sure the Orange County prosecutor isnt going to want to waste CA Taxpayer money to prosecute a he said/he said based on a cry baby from TN, especially since no one was injured (ego doesnt count Farmer). Clearly the Prosecutor will see a cry baby in Farmer.

I love legal opinions from truthers!

At any rate, how's Cap'n Bob doing with that math? Obviously, you aren't doing it yourself or you wouldn't be posting here instead of providing the math.

 

[Turbofan]

Nope. It doesn't matter where it was recorded. See here from the same link Turbofan provided but didn't bother reading (surprise surprise surprise!):

See here from the same link that Wildcat didnt bother reading...

In one case, a New York trial court was asked to apply the Pennsylvania wiretap law — which requires consent of all parties — to a call placed by a prostitute in Pennsylvania to a man in New York. Unlike the Pennsylvania wiretap statute, the New York and federal statutes require the consent of only one party. The call was recorded with the woman’s consent by reporters for The Globe, a national tabloid newspaper. The court ruled that the law of the state where the injury occurred, New York, should apply. (Krauss v. Globe International)

In other words, the one party consent rule was applied. Even though it screwed the prosecutions case.

Wildcat, in your case, the injured resided in CA. CA law protects CA residents. Your case would apply if Farmer recorded CIT without consent. Which reminds me, has Farmer ever posted a private email from CIT on his blog? CIT may have a case under CA law.

In the case i quoted above (more similar to Farmers 'case' and right above the one you misinterepreted on the link), the law was applied in the state of the "injured". it will be interesting to see if the Orange Country Prosecutor applies CA law and CA taxpayer money to protect a resident/cry baby in TN. Especially since he cannot prove "injury". Again, ego doesnt count.

Bottom line, Farmer is crying because he has been exposed and this is his last ditch effort to perhaps save any of his ego. Farmer has called JREFers all types of names on his blog and since he perceives possible "criminal activity" through his delusion against someone JREFers hate more, you all jump on his bandwagon. Good stuff.

It will be fun to watch the OC Prosecutor to tell Farmer to go pound sand and stop his crying.

 

[dtugg]

Somehow, I am also unimpressed with the legal opinion of somebody who is not a lawyer and also believes in one of the stupidest things of all time.

 

[T.A.M.]

Guys just leave it, and let what ever law enforcement action is in the works, carry itself out. No point in antagonizing them.

TAM

 

[BCR]

I actually need help from Turbo and the CIT boys. I finally found the appropriate agency to handle this and I just got off the phone with him as he was reading the Nick Schou article in the OC Weekly and the CIT forum. I guess somewhere Craig says that he told me the phone call was being recorded. As it stands, I do not recall that part of the conversation and at my age I do have my senior moments. Quite frankly, I had forgotten most of the phone conversation. So this might be true. Regardless, we are proceeding and I have to do what is called a "courtesy" report with the locals here in Memphis tomorrow to verify my identification and information and have it forwarded to the investigator.

In the meantime, if Craig can produce the portion of the call where I gave my consent, then I'll happily forget the whole affair. It is not on the audio that I and the investigator have, so help us out here. I might just be having a senior moment.

 

[Turbofan]

Ask LashL. i believe she even mentioned the same thing in a different thread on a related issue.

From what i understand,

First thing that needs to be done is to prove injury. Again, ego doesnt count.

Next thing to ask - where does the injured reside? TN USA

Then, which law protects such "injured"? Does CA law protect members of all states? No, it doesnt. It protects CA residents.

Then if the prosecutor does feel he wants to use CA taxpayer money to protect a TN resident, he has to ask was there consent? CIT says yes, Farmer says no. No way it can be proven either way.

The fact the phone call has been published for more than 6 months and Farmer is just now reporting it, does not bode well for Farmers case. Especially since it is clear Farmer is obsessed with CIT by browsing his blog, so his excuse that he didnt see it till now will definitely not work in his favor.

If you guys think the OC prosecutor is going to use CA taxpayer money to protect a TN resident who wasnt even injured, failed to report the alleged violation 6 months after being published.. AND contradict established case law... i guess you guys would also believe the govt story regarding 9/11...

errr.. wait.

 

[BCR]

I don't know, the investigator seem rather pissed that they did the same thing to a Federal Officer.

 

[Turbofan]

I don't know, the investigator seem rather pissed that they did the same thing to a Federal Officer.

Did you tell your "investigator" about Federal Law regarding taping? Or did that slip your mind as did your consent of the call with CIT.


Farmer, you're on a witchunt because you been exposed. Nothing more, nothing less. Its unfortunate for you that this will blow up in your face as did everything else.

 

[Drudgewire]

Did you tell your "investigator" about Federal Law regarding taping?

 

[Drudgewire]

I'm still not sure if I'm laughing more about the notion of asking whether he'd informed someone with a badge about federal law or the fact someone supporting the "Citizen Investigation Team" would have the audacity to use quotation marks to describe a real investigator.

Either way:

 

[Bobert]

Somehow, I am also unimpressed with the legal opinion of somebody who is not a lawyer and also believes in one of the stupidest things of all time.

The more light that is shined on the CIT "wiitnesses" the more it is revealed that the CIT lied and distorted to these people to get them to talk to them in the first place.
Keith Wheelhouse to Craig Ranke

Craig you need help

 

[beachnut]

I actually need help from Turbo and the CIT boys. I finally found the appropriate agency to handle this and I just got off the phone with him as he was reading the Nick Schou article in the OC Weekly and the CIT forum. I guess somewhere Craig says that he told me the phone call was being recorded. As it stands, I do not recall that part of the conversation and at my age I do have my senior moments. Quite frankly, I had forgotten most of the phone conversation. So this might be true. Regardless, we are proceeding and I have to do what is called a "courtesy" report with the locals here in Memphis tomorrow to verify my identification and information and have it forwarded to the investigator.

In the meantime, if Craig can produce the portion of the call where I gave my consent, then I'll happily forget the whole affair. It is not on the audio that I and the investigator have, so help us out here. I might just be having a senior moment.

I have seen your results resolving issues on 9/11 truth. These guys will be in a lot of trouble if you have the same success on this issue due to your tenacity at resolving issues.

Turbofan thinks we cannot change our minds and see Balsamo is a fraud, not a seeker of truth.

 

[Bobert]

I'm still not sure if I'm laughing more about the notion of asking whether he'd informed someone with a badge about federal law or the fact someone supporting the "Citizen Investigation Team" would have the audacity to use quotation marks to describe a real investigator.

Either way:

NOTE TO SELF:
The CIT will go to LE to make sure they can record legally YET wont take their ground breaking eiath shattering evidence to a court.

 

[Turbofan]

I'm still not sure if I'm laughing more about the notion of asking whether he'd informed someone with a badge

You sure its someone with a badge? Or do you just take Farmers word for it Although he never mentioned a Detective, for all you know it could be a private investigator, or none at all. Farmer is prone to lying and contradictions. Listen to the call Are you a critical thinker?

about federal law

Federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the call.

Do you know what that above quote means Drudge? It means the "investigator" (if there really is one) can be as pissed as he wants, its still not illegal.

I see that since Farmer realizes he doesnt have much of a case, he is on a witchunt to find out if there are any other violations. Craig is right when he said, "Whats next, is Farmer gonna dig up my 1995 jaywalking ticket?"

Tell me, how many JREF cheerleaders would support that? Im thinking 90% of you. You're your own worst enemy... hilarious.

 

[Baylor]

I see that since Farmer realizes he doesnt have much of a case, he is on a witchunt to find out if there are any other violations. Craig is right when he said, "Whats next, is Farmer gonna dig up my 1995 jaywalking ticket?"

I called the fashion police on Ranke for that god awful way he does his hair.

 

[Drudgewire]

That that above quote means Drudge? It means the "investigator" (if there really is one) can be as pissed as he wants, its still not illegal.

I see that since Farmer realizes he doesnt have much of a case, he is on a witchunt to find out if there are any other violations. Craig is right when he said, "Whats next, is Farmer gonna dig up my 1995 jaywalking ticket?"

Tell me, how many JREF cheerleaders would support that? Im thinking 90% of you.

I said it at least twice this thread, but since you only see and hear what you want to and that rarely has anything to do with reality, I'll say it again:

Using the Internet to claim legal knowledge is a VERY dangerous game, especially considering how much money has been lost by REAL legal experts who thought they understood the wording of the law.

You're your own worst enemy... hilarious.

STOP BREAKING OUR IRONY METERS!! THEY DON'T GROW ON TREES YOU KNOW!!

 

[Turbofan]

Turbofan thinks we cannot change our minds and see Balsamo is a fraud, not a seeker of truth. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Ron "pomeroo" Weick doesnt seem to think Balsamo is a fraud.

I just received another call from Rob Balsamo. He was quite civil and impressed me with his sincerity in wanting a substantive debate on the FDR and related matters. I agreed to apologize for lumping him in with [others i feel are frauds] and promised I would continue my effort to find opponents for tomorrow's CLOUT

What can I say? The people here who are qualified to discuss the subject should step up to the plate. There is no satisfactory reason for missing this opportunity to address a fairly large audience.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3704117&postcount=105

By the way Beachnut, why didnt you step up to the plate to debate P4T that night? Oh, thats right, you claimed there is nothing to debate. But yet you spent the whole night behind your screen on JREF doing just that, like you do everyday.

Bottom line, Rob Balsamo and the numerous aviation professionals at http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core can be verified as such at faa.gov. You and your so-called 'experts' cannot. Who exactly is the "fraud"?