Questions about Hyperinsulinemia/Diabetes

[Kumar]

Exactly. It didn't fit your theory, so you ignored it.

Although the paragraph was mostly about carbohydrates, it was also about the early stages of digestion in general. This includes carbohydrate digestion in the mouth, and protein and fat digestion in the stomach. The stomach's enzymes do not digest carbohydrates.

The sentence does not say anything about carbohydrate digestion in the stomach. It states that food continues to be digested in the stomach, as a result of of acid hydrolysis and the action of enzymes to catalyse this for proteins and fats.

In the stomach, food is churned and thoroughly mixed with acid and other digestive enzymes with digestive fluid to further decompose it chemically.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestion

It is not clear that digestion of food is related to just protien & fats OR with everything in food including carbs. The above quoted link is also indicating the whole food.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

I think so in view of your so much representations. But you know anything can change anytime due to any new finding.

Well. It's not a new finding, it's what you've been told consistently for years. Is your response a sign of genuine progress? I don't know, but it doesn't much matter because two brief answers are all that needs to be said.

I think so in view of your so much representations. But you know anything can change anytime due to any new finding. I don't understand, why it is named as Insulin resistance when insulin don't resist it, why cells resist only glucose when both glucose & insulin are higher?

Because there is resistance to the action of insulin. Not difficult.

What causes IR condition, primarily?

It is not currently known, but the various links you have already been given show you the current state of knowledge. Read them if you are still interested, but if you are looking for an 'absolute' answer you'll not find it because the answer is not yet properly known.

Fin.

p.s. Mojo. I'm done here.

 

[Kumar]

What causes insulin resistance?
No one knows for sure. Some scientists think a defect in specific genes may cause insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes. Researchers continue to investigate the cause. What we do know is that insulin resistance is aggravated by obesity and physical inactivity both of which are increasing in the U.S.

Do all people with insulin resistance develop diabetes?

No. Science has not yet determined why some people with insulin resistance eventually develop diabetes and others do not. By maintaining an appropriate weight and a physically active lifestyle many individuals are able to reduce their chances of becoming insulin resistant and developing diabetes.

http://syndromex.stanford.edu/InsulinResistance.htm

We can try dynamicaaly.

 

[Mojo]

We can try dynamicaaly.

Translation: "I'm going to carry on making stuff up."

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Translation: "I'm going to carry on making stuff up."

But, now apparently in Dutch!

 

[Kumar]

Can't you think anything about prime resonaning for getting IR? If it is not known perfectly, how can you say any presented theory thought can't be right? Anyway pls try to link the possibility of prime contributing factor anything out of following aspects with getting IR:-

Glucose:- excess-- ingestion, digestion, absorption or lesser cellular taking, lesser cellular metabolism, , lesser loss in urine or glucose imbalances(more at one place & lesser at other place still keeping total normal in body), real excess or real deficient.

Insulin:- Its persistent Excess, low or imbalanced levels. Its quality differcences. It unable to unlock cell membrane doors, it do something which causes lipids or phospholipid cellular membrane to cause IR.

Digestive:- acid, base & water(mucus) imbalances, digestion & absorption imbalances.

Cells:- cellular metabolism & respiration impaired due to excess of glucose, lipids or insulin, receptors regulations--temporary or permanent. Lactic acidosis.

Obesity:- Limit of glucose & fats, blood lipids levels, cellular lipid levels, lipids in cellular membrane, liver lipids, fatty fegenaration, respiration & oxidation effected due to excess fats...etc.

Genetic/Inharent/Aquired predispositions--phenotype or genotype-- what these reasons primarily effects--digestive, hormonal or cellular imbalances or defects.

Mental: stresses, tensions, neuro-transmissions defects, mis-impression of previously persistent confused signals(mental stresses may be confused for physical stresses).

Infectious:-Any infection.

Others: Medications oriented, modern lifestyle & environmenrt-you can think more.

We may have to found some prime reasonings. If we couldn't then, let the show go on, anytype as it may add something.

Btw, other question; Can more lactic acid levels cause more LDH/LDH isoenzimes secretions? Can some lactic acidosis be a chronic condition? Do lesser O2 levels or RBCs defects encourage it? Pls tell me as much as you can tell about it?

Can IR be possible due to intracellular causes instead of insulin can't unlock cells doors? Can it be due to some IC reasons after Acetyl CO A is formed? One link suggest some intracellular possibilities which I recently given?

What are the bye-products of diabetes medicines & Insulin? Are these sulphur & acids?

 

[Donks]

Can't you think anything about prime resonaning for getting IR? If it is not known perfectly, how can you say any presented theory thought can't be right?

This is what is known as an argument from ignorance (argumentum ad ignorantiam). While I have a hard time thinking of where else you could draw an argument from, it's still a logical fallacy.

Anyway pls try to link the possibility of prime contributing factor anything out of following aspects with getting IR:-

"Please try to agree with me."

...laundry list of all the theories that you've already told are wrong...

We may have to found some prime reasonings. If we couldn't then, let the show go on, anytype as it may add something.

Yes, let the show go on.

...new theories...

Can IR be possible due to intracellular causes instead of insulin can't unlock cells doors? Can it be due to some IC reasons after Acetyl CO A is formed? One link suggest some intracellular possibilities which I recently given?

Then stop asking here and go read it. If you want more information, google for it.

What are the bye-products of diabetes medicines & Insulin? Are these sulphur & acids?

I'm wondering where you're going with this. You can't possibly be saying that someone being treated for diabetes will develop diabetes because of the treatment, are you?

 

[Kumar]

This is what is known as an argument from ignorance (argumentum ad ignorantiam). While I have a hard time thinking of where else you could draw an argument from, it's still a logical fallacy.

"Please try to agree with me."


Yes, let the show go on.


Then stop asking here and go read it. If you want more information, google for it.

I'm wondering where you're going with this. You can't possibly be saying that someone being treated for diabetes will develop diabetes because of the treatment, are you?

All arguments/understandings can be reversed/changed, if real causes are not yet absolutely known. So just don't aurge on theories.

I am just trying to know, can acidity esp. lactic acid & sulphur accumulation be possible from diabetic medications & excess insulin use? Many diabetic medicines & insulin is composed of sulphur & metformin can also cause LA.

 

[Donks]

All arguments/understandings can be reversed/changed, if real causes are not yet absolutely known. So just don't aurge on theories.

Kumar, until you understand that not knowing how something works with absolute certainty does not equal not knowing anything about it, you'll continue to make up idiotic theories that are not even worth discussing.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

I'm wondering where you're going with this. You can't possibly be saying that someone being treated for diabetes will develop diabetes because of the treatment, are you?

It seems to stem from some observation that Kumar has made on his own treatment for diabetes, but he has never been adequately explicit about why he holds these views for us to place them in any context. It would have been a lot easier if right at the outset he had stated what he thought and why he thought it. Instead he as only ever made higly elliptical statements about what motivates his ideas and also has disingenuously tried to shoehorn the answers he gest into support for the use of tissue salts and homeopathy. He has got vaguely shirty when asked about this, but doesn't seem to realise that the context is quite important to be able to explain things to him. However, long experience has shown him to be a less than straightforward participant in these discussions, so I'm not sure that working from a clear statement of his reasoning would have resulted in him receiving answers to which he would have paid the slightest attention.

For what it's worth, I think the origins may be something along the lines of Kumar being a Type 2 diabetic who reduced his medication for unknown reasons and saw his blood or urine sugar drop, without taking any notice of other factors that may have changed at the same time. It is not clear whether that medication was oral hypoglycaemics or whether it involved insulin. But springing from that single uncontrolled observation, or something like it, is his entire quixotic campaign.

 

[Kumar]

When all things should have been corrected by following something different and all other things are corrected or remain corrected by following something different except one which was also followed by routine, what a person will think about that routine? If dynamic, will he try to find problems in that routine or not? This much knowlege can make a dynamic person to understand, what is wrong, what is right or what can harm & what not. So just try to find what is wrong in that routine esp. when that couldn't yet be understood completely-- to help him, help you or to all.

Sorry bit the other language but can be understoodable by a reasonable dynamic person.

What can be the relation of lactic acid, LDH, sulphur, Vit.B1/B2 with diabetes?
Lactic Aidosis

Cardiovascular effects of high doses of thiamine (vit B1) in the dog with special reference to myocardial oxygen consumption.

Results: Lactic acidosis and thiamine deficiency were confirmed. The patient's symptoms and acidosis resolved with thiamine administration.

http://www.amjmedsci.com/pt/re/ajms...jXAMvy9GJ73BF8DTyxFWy43tqJMnZfVtS1PmWmMClVt6g

Benfotiamine is a synthetic derivative of thiamine (vitamin B1) and has been available for more than a decade in Germany. It is prescribed there for treating diabetic neuropathy, sciatica and other painful nerve conditions but has never been tested in placebo-controlled, double-blind clinical trials.

In people with diabetes, all cells are bathed in blood that contains elevated levels of glucose. Most cells still manage to keep their internal glucose at normal levels. But certain cells - particularly endothelial cells that line arteries and the capillaries of the retina and kidney - are unable to regulate glucose and instead develop high internal levels of the sugar, which they can’t completely metabolize. As a result, glucose-derived "intermediate" metabolic products accumulate inside these cells, where they activate pathways of cellular damage that can eventually lead to blindness and other complications.

http://www.drugs.com/diabetes.html

 

[Donks]

I'm trying to figure out what you mean by "dynamic person." So far my theories as to the meaning are:
1) Person that agrees with Kumar.
2) Person that will continue to believe something despite all evidence to the contrary.
3) Person that will reject any logical, verifiable explanation in favor of preexisting beliefs.

So, which is closer?

 

[Mojo]

I think Kumar means someone who just makes things up without taking any notice whatsoever of the available evidence.

 

[Kumar]

I'm trying to figure out what you mean by "dynamic person." So far my theories as to the meaning are:
1) Person that agrees with Kumar.
2) Person that will continue to believe something despite all evidence to the contrary.
3) Person that will reject any logical, verifiable explanation in favor of preexisting beliefs.

So, which is closer?

None out of these, but can be;


Person that tries to exchange new knowledge & different thoughts on unclear aspects most of the time instead doing just TTTT most of the time.

Dynamic: marked by usually continuous and productive activity or change : ENERGETIC, FORCEFUL <a dynamic personality>
3 of random-access memory : requiring periodic refreshment of charge in order to retain data

 

[Donks]

I think Kumar means someone who just makes things up without taking any notice whatsoever of the available evidence.

I think I've finally become completely fed up with Kumar, and all homeopaths in general. I'm no longer willing to read, or attempt to debate these morons, who do nothing but avoid questions and slither around. I just hope the idiots that we encounter here aren't hurting too many people.

 

[Mojo]

requiring periodic refreshment of charge in order to retain data

Maybe you need to take more refreshment, as you seem to be almost completely incapable of retaining any of the data you are given.

 

[Kumar]

Pls be the "dynamic person to add to knowledge & relations", do TTTT to pass/waste time & spoil relations. Choice is in one's own hand.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

When all things should have been corrected by following something different and all other things are corrected or remain corrected by following something different except one which was also followed by routine, what a person will think about that routine? If dynamic, will he try to find problems in that routine or not? This much knowlege can make a dynamic person to understand, what is wrong, what is right or what can harm & what not. So just try to find what is wrong in that routine esp. when that couldn't yet be understood completely-- to help him, help you or to all

See? This is why people think you are an annoying twit.

I think you've just confirmed what I said in my post, but you have deliberately written it in near-gibberish. Don't come the poor little foreign Kumar who struggles with English. It's just a game you play. We know you can write intelligibly when you wish to. So, write it again in proper English with accurate information. You know you've made the Good Grammar Fairy shut herself in her room and say she's not coming out again until you agree to play properly with all the nice people.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Pls be the "dynamic person to add to knowledge & relations", do TTTT to pass/waste time & spoil relations. Choice is in one's own hand.

I've long had my suspicions about what's in your hand, but maybe you could get some tissue and start typing with both hands in good grammatical English to get on with answering properly about the medical facts required to understand what your original problem means.

 

[Barbrae]

I've long had my suspicions about what's in your hand, but maybe you could get some tissue and start typing with both hands

Ewwwwww