Question on Conservative Mindset

[Magrat]

I came upon an interesting quote in the book Becoming Nicole by Amy Ellis Nutt. This book is about a transgendered (M to F) child. When the child, Nicole, was in 5th grade, the parent of another child became aware of Nicole being transgendered and objected forcefully to Nicole using the female bathroom while having been born male.

The parent was quoted as saying he "felt as if his rights were being infringed upon every time his country invented new ones for special interest groups". Specifically, this person had fought against gay marriage for this reason.

I am politically and socially liberal (which I am presuming is relevant, but please correct me if it is not), and I don't understand how giving rights to one person impacts my rights. For instance, as a straight woman, I cannot see how giving gay people the right to get married impacts me. It doesn't remove my right to get married.

Could anyone explain this? Having read it, I am coming to see how a mindset like this would support anti-LGBTQ actions. what I am asking is, could you explain why you would see things this way? What is being taken away from you? thank you.

 

[Seismosaurus]

IMO, many Conservatives feel like America is their country. It's set up to benefit "their kind" of people, and they think that's how it should be. Whenever they see measures meant to accommodate those who are not "their kind", they feel it's a little bit of dominance and control that they've lost. Why if that went on long enough, other people may wind up in the position to dominate them. And then what?

 

[cullennz]

All conservatives are anti-trans now?


I guess they are all anti-abortion and anti-gay as well?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

All conservatives are anti-trans now?


I guess they are all anti-abortion and anti-gay as well?

Well, either that or ambivalent.
If there are pro LGBT conservatives, they aren't having any political impact.

 

[Magrat]

All conservatives are anti-trans now?


I guess they are all anti-abortion and anti-gay as well?

Where did I say that? I asked for insight about a specific person's statement. It would take some fairly thin skin to see anything I said in the OP as an attack on anyone or any group.

eta I didnt even mention conservatives in the question...

 

[Magrat]

IMO, many Conservatives feel like America is their country. It's set up to benefit "their kind" of people, and they think that's how it should be. Whenever they see measures meant to accommodate those who are not "their kind", they feel it's a little bit of dominance and control that they've lost. Why if that went on long enough, other people may wind up in the position to dominate them. And then what?

This is similar to what I thought, and Im wondering if it would be the case for racism as well. Id be interested to hear an alternative explanation though if there is one.

 

[Chanakya]

... I cannot see how giving gay people the right to get married impacts me. It doesn't remove my right to get married.

Could anyone explain this? ... could you explain why you would see things this way? What is being taken away from you? thank you.

The club mentality, if I may call it that. If this club lets in the riff-raff, it dilutes my sense of worth in belonging to that club.

That's crazy at many levels. It reeks of entitlement. Of exclusivity, without really being deserving of anything special. Of elitism, based not on any kind of intrinsic merit but simply in terms of keeping the Other out.

And it reflects on how little these freaks value, for instance, the institution of marriage in itself. They value it more as a marker of "their" way of life, their identity.

Like I said, crazy, at more levels than one.

 

[Magrat]

The club mentality, if I may call it that. If this club lets in the riff-raff, it dilutes my sense of worth in belonging to that club.

That's crazy at many levels. It reeks of entitlement. Of exclusivity, without really being deserving of anything special. Of elitism, based not on any kind of intrinsic merit but simply in terms of keeping the Other out.

And it reflects on how little these freaks value, for instance, the institution of marriage in itself. They value it more as a marker of "their" way of life, their identity.

Like I said, crazy, at more levels than one.

Along the same lines as poor whites hating poor blacks instead of the rich whites that are actually oppressing them?

 

[Seismosaurus]

All conservatives are anti-trans now?


I guess they are all anti-abortion and anti-gay as well?

All? No. Merely the ones in charge of the party and the policies it enacts.

 

[Seismosaurus]

This is similar to what I thought, and Im wondering if it would be the case for racism as well. Id be interested to hear an alternative explanation though if there is one.

I steered clear of race, because I think "our kind" of person means different things to difference conservatives. For some, yeah, "our kind" means "white", but it can also mean "christian", "rural", "successful go-getters", etc. There's probably a lot of overlap between those categories, too, but whilst many or most conservatives would fall within at least one or two of those groups, it would be wrong to think that every conservative matches any of them, let alone all of them.

 

[cullennz]

Where did I say that? I asked for insight about a specific person's statement. It would take some fairly thin skin to see anything I said in the OP as an attack on anyone or any group.

eta I didnt even mention conservatives in the question...

I think the clue might be in having such a broad thread title.

But fair enough

Now it has been explained the title is pointlessly irrelevant.

Do you have any stats that all conservative politicians are anti trans?

 

[Magrat]

I think a conservative mindset - by definition one in which change is resisted - may justify such resistance with whatever seems logical. A more changeable mindset would likely do the opposite. I am wondering if it boils down simply to how comfortable one is with change. Does that make sense to any one?

 

[Magrat]

I think the clue might be in having such a broad thread title.

But fair enough

Now it has been explained the title is pointlessly irrelevant.

Do you have any stats that all conservative politicians are anti trans?

I have just clarified that I was referring to conservative by definition and not as a political party. No where do I mention conservatives as a political group. If you'd like to contribute to answering the question I welcome your input, but dithering over semantical straw men is pointless. I was very clear in the OP that I am trying to understand a specific person's statement.


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disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
cautiously moderate or purposefully low:
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traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness:
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The quoted individual is of a conservative mindset in that he is fighting change. Also, who was talking about politicians?

 

[cullennz]

I have just clarified that I was referring to conservative by definition and not as a political party. No where do I mention conservatives as a political group. If you'd like to contribute to answering the question I welcome your input, but dithering over semantical straw men is pointless. I was very clear in the OP that I am trying to understand a specific person's statement.

Which brings it back to my original point.

What do you mean by conservative any way?

There are people who are fiscally cons', socially cons', religious, scientific......etc etc

And not all of them are part of each group

Do you just mean fundamental religious?

I know you think it is a strawman, but it isn't.

It's pointing out you are slagging an extremely large group off with no evidence.

It would be like me saying why to non-conservative people care about everyone more?

When there are a huge amount of them who are ******* as they don't practice what they preach

 

[Magrat]

Which brings it back to my original point.

What do you mean by conservative any way?

There are people who are fiscally cons', socially cons', religious, scientific......etc etc

And not all of them are part of each group

Do you just mean fundamental religious?

I know you think it is a strawman, but it isn't.

It's pointing out you are slagging an extremely large group off with no evidence.

It would be like me saying why to non-conservative people care about everyone more?

When there are a huge amount of them who are ******* as they don't practice what they preach

I legitimately cannot be any more clear. I am asking about a specific quote from a specific person. You keep trying to make this about political groups, no matter how many times I say this. The individual I quote is of a mindset that is resistant to change (which is defined as conservative in the English language). I am speaking solely about the individual I quoted, and trying to understand the mindset that this person had, based on the quote I provided.

I have not mentioned any groups. I have not attributed any beliefs to any groups. I don't know what slagging is but I haven't done that either. Please, for the love of pasta, could we talk about what I actually have said and not whatever this is you're getting from who knows where?

 

[cullennz]

I legitimately cannot be any more clear. I am asking about a specific quote from a specific person. You keep trying to make this about political groups, no matter how many times I say this. The individual I quote is of a mindset that is resistant to change (which is defined as conservative in the English language). I am speaking solely about the individual I quoted, and trying to understand the mindset that this person had, based on the quote I provided.

I have not mentioned any groups. I have not attributed any beliefs to any groups. I don't know what slagging is but I haven't done that either. Please, for the love of pasta, could we talk about what I actually have said and not whatever this is you're getting from who knows where?

Then why is the title not "Question on this person's mindset"?

Because as it is, it is a massively large brush painting a huge amount of people a derogatory colour

Conservatism is not solely a political concept.

And I wasn't the one who even brought politics into it. Others did

Well, either that or ambivalent.
If there are pro LGBT conservatives, they aren't having any political impact.

All? No. Merely the ones in charge of the party and the policies it enacts.

 

[Magrat]

Then why is the title not "Question on this person's mindset"?

Because as it is, it is a massively large brush painting a huge amount of people a derogatory colour

Conservatism is not solely a political concept.

And I wasn't the one who even brought politics into it. Others did

Because he is by definition of a conservative mindset. The political group doesn't own the word. I was asking for people who are also conservatively minded to help me understand what this person is thinking. Hence, that's what I wrote. You chose to take an adjective and turn it into a name, which is confusing because nothing I wrote in the op supports that interpretation. did you read the op?

as for point 2, why then did you repeatedly demanded that I defend those statements when I didn't say it? You've asked me over and over to defend a viewpoint I don't hold about a group I didn't mention and am not talking about.

If you yourself are of a conservative bent I would very much like to hear your thoughts on why the individual in the OP would feel and act the way he did. Otherwise can we please stop derailing the thread now?

 

[Chanakya]

Along the same lines as poor whites hating poor blacks instead of the rich whites that are actually oppressing them?

it's like this. I've been a fan of Tolkien since before Middle Earth became fashionable and 'in'. Now if my appreciation of his works derives primarily from a (spurious) sense of exclusivity, then I'll see the embracing of Hobbiton by Hollywood as Tolkien going to hell in a bucket. And that's crazy at many levels.

And that, IMO, is exactly what's going on with these freaks. That, coupled with a sense of entitlement.

Otherwise, like you say, why would legalizing even troika-marriages, for instance, at all imact what I've got going with my partner?

 

[Magrat]

it's like this. I've been a fan of Tolkien since before Middle Earth became fashionable and 'in'. Now if my appreciation of his works derives primarily from a (spurious) sense of exclusivity, then I'll see the embracing of Hobbiton by Hollywood as Tolkien going to hell in a bucket. And that's crazy at many levels.

And that, IMO, is exactly what's going on with these freaks. That, coupled with a sense of entitlement.

Otherwise, like you say, why would legalizing even troika-marriages, for instance, at all imact what I've got going with my partner?

So, they're hipsters? That actually makes a lot of sense, thank you.

what is troika?

 

[cullennz]

Because he is by definition of a conservative mindset. The political group doesn't own the word. I was asking for people who are also conservatively minded to help me understand what this person is thinking. Hence, that's what I wrote. You chose to take an adjective and turn it into a name, which is confusing because nothing I wrote in the op supports that interpretation. did you read the op?

as for point 2, why then did you repeatedly demanded that I defend those statements when I didn't say it? You've asked me over and over to defend a viewpoint I don't hold about a group I didn't mention and am not talking about.

If you yourself are of a conservative bent I would very much like to hear your thoughts on why the individual in the OP would feel and act the way he did. Otherwise can we please stop derailing the thread now?

What proof do you have that your persons views are shared by the majority of conservative people?

What is your definition of your personal view of what is conservative.

I personally would consider my self slightly conservative in most things apart from social issues.

I agree with universal healthcare and benefits to those less fortunate till they can get themselves out of whatever individual hole they are in.

I have zero problem with any people as frankly I don't care what people do if it doesn't harm me or anyone else.

Gay. Trans...You name it, I don't give a *****

And they should all have the same rights as everyone else with as little hassle as possible.

But apparently because I am conservative in most other things this is wrong and I'm anti-trans according to your thread title