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Question for Heiwa

Correction

bje said:
When do we get to see your calculations for the 110,000 ton mass of the top section of WTC 2, Heiwa?
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The towers were quite similar. The mass of the top section of WTC2 (64,971 tonnes including floor 81-roof) can be readily determined from my article:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/GUrich/MassAndPeWtc.pdf

See the spread sheet linked in the results section, if you want to play with the numbers. Actually WTC1 was a little heavier due to the antenna.
 
Newtons Bit said:
I think he's referring to a higher mass because the collapse started at a lower floor.
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Correct. I am referring to the mass of each block of each tower above the impact areas that began to fall at collapse initiation.
 
bje said:
Heiwa, perhaps you didn't understand me correctly. I am not asking you for a narrative in which you bring up claims and imaginative scenarios involving your speculations. I am asking for your actual data and calculations.

I will ask you again to provide us your calculations [equations, material specifications for each towers at the damage areas, structural damage from aircraft impacts and subsequent fires, etc.], you know, all the necessary calculations and data that you must have in order to draw any conclusions whatsoever. Without that, there is nothing to assess and nothing to evaluate against NIST's calculations, methodologies, and conclusions.

Surely you had to have made and provided similar calculations in your investigation and book on the Estonia disaster, am I correct?

Certainly, you can easily provide them either in a Excel file, Word document, or PDF file that you must already have, correct?
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The calculations for WTC1 are of course in my article we are discussing (intended for children, etc) and nobody has found any errors there. For WTC2 you have to multiply by 3 for certain factors but the result we are interested in is actually the same. So your request is OT. But thanks for your interest.
 
WildCat said:
Sorry, it just doesn't compete with:


Because to this layman a thorough report written by a who's who of highly credentialed experts in their fields takes on far more credence than a shipbuilder parroting truther sites and manufacturing math to fit their theories. Whatever the hell your "theory" is.
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The link is of course to NIST FAQ Appendix December 2007 and completely (intentionally?) misleading.

I actually in my article calculate the potential energy in the part above - abt 340 kWh - not very much actually - after an alleged fall of 3.7 meters, and points out that this energy is not applied to the structure below!!

Actually I show that there is no fall of 3.7 meters (!) as the wall columns at the initiation zone are still intact when the roof has fallen 3.7 meters!!

Strange! And before the wall columns at the initiation zone disappears out of sight, dust and smoke blow out through the windows adjacent to these intact columns!

And the top part above seems to disintegrate before that! Where according Nist the floors drop down - and the wall columns are intact???

Actually - what moves first is the roof! And then the wall columns at floors 94-97 are still intact for at least 5 seconds.

The Nist suggestion that the wall columns at floors 94-97 collapse first is simply BS. Nist has apparently missed that instant forensic evidence and that's why I ask Nist in my article (and also by direct mail to dr Kayser of Nist) to correct the Nist report.

Nothing conspiratorial about that! I am a serious person and want to assist.
 
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Heiwa said:
The link is of course to NIST FAQ Appendix December 2007 and completely (intentionally?) misleading.

I actually in my article calculate the potential energy in the part above - abt 340 kWh - not very much actually - after an alleged fall of 3.7 meters, and points out that this energy is not applied to the structure below!!

Actually I show that there is no fall of 3.7 meters (!) as the wall columns at the initiation zone are still intact when the roof has fallen 3.7 meters!!

Strange! And before the wall columns at the initiation zone disappears out of sight, dust and smoke blow out through the windows adjacent to these intact columns!

And the top part above seems to disintegrate before that! Where according Nist the floors drop down - and the wall columns are intact???

Actually - what moves first is the roof! And then the wall columns at floors 94-97 are still intact for at least 5 seconds.

The Nist suggestion that the wall columns at floors 94-97 collapse first is simply BS. Nist has apparently missed that instant forensic evidence and that's why I ask Nist in my article (and also by direct mail to dr Kayser of Nist) to correct the Nist report.

Nothing conspiratorial about that! I am a serious person and want to assist.
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You are a serious truther who has suspended reality to make up lies. Good for you, you are a 9/11 truth person of woo. Total woo, zero facts, no evidence you just make it up as you go! Why?

U B pure BS. You list of facts = zero = 0 cool (don't cry now)
 
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beachnut said:
You are a serious truther who has suspended reality to make up lies. Good for you, you are a 9/11 truth person of woo. Total woo, zero facts, no evidence you just make it up as you go! Why?

U B pure BS. You list of facts = zero = 0 cool (don't cry now)
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I have noted that you have written 5 865 messages of exactly the same type. Very impressive actually. But sad.
 
WildCat said:
Just quoting Gravy since Heiwa seems to have him on ignore.

Heiwa, are you still so wedded to your "theory" that you will ignore the testimony of people who were there that day? Still maintaining that alll the evidence against you is faked?
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My 'theory' is evidently the facts in my article about WTC1 that show that the wall columns in the initiation zone were pretty strong and didn't collapse as proposed by, e.g. Nist and Z P Bazant. They were intact after the top part above started to move and didn't cause the alleged release of potential energy from above.

The evidence for my 'theory' is there for anybody to watch on the videos.
I doubt there is any testimony of people to the contrary.
 
Heiwa said:
The calculations for WTC1 are of course in my article we are discussing (intended for children, etc) and nobody has found any errors there.
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Heiwa,

We are not children, as you well know. There are no data or calculations in your article. Obviously, needing that data and calculations, you must have used them to write any article since any conclusions you draw depend absolutely on them.

Please provide your data and calculations on both towers in either Word, Excel, or PDF format so that we may evaluate your conclusions, data, and methodology.

Certainly, you have no objection in doing that for us, do you, Heiwa?
 
bje said:
Correct. I am referring to the mass of each block of each tower above the impact areas that began to fall at collapse initiation.
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So am I.

The mass of the upper block of WTC1 was 32,800 tonnes (including floor 98-roof).

The mass of the upper block of WTC2 was 64,971 tonnes (including floor 81-roof).

These can be readily determined from my article:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/GUrich/MassAndPeWtc.pdf

See the spreadsheet linked in the results section.
 
GregoryUrich said:
So am I.

The mass of the upper block of WTC1 was 32,800 tonnes (including floor 98-roof).

The mass of the upper block of WTC2 was 64,971 tonnes (including floor 81-roof).

These can be readily determined from my article:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/GUrich/MassAndPeWtc.pdf

See the spreadsheet linked in the results section.
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Yes, I've long been aware of the masses, even before your paper. Heiwa believes they are irrelevant in his calculations.
 
bje said:
Yes, I've long been aware of the masses, even before your paper. Heiwa believes they are irrelevant in his calculations.
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?? Not really - you have probably not read my article. I use 33 000 tons for the top part of WTC1 in my calculations (with the help of gurich).

So these 33 000 tons fall down through the 3.7 meters high initiation zone and impacts the structure below (we are told by NIST and Bazant) with an energy that is 1.221 GJ or GNm or 340 kWh as I have explained earlier.

NIST and Bazant think this is an enormous energi that impacts at high velocity but it is really only a bale of cotton hitting the floor!! Or LESS!

OK - the floor and its structure is according Bazant like a 370 meter high spring with spring constant C = 71 GN/m because there is plenty of structure below. 71 GN/m spring constant is pretty much, as you know (or probably not)? Read Bazant's paper.

Anyway - we physicians can calculate how much a spring with spring constant C = 71 GN/m compresses when you compress it with 1.221 GNm.

Can you guess how much? Guess! Does it break into 1000's pieces?

No, the answer is that the spring compresses 18.5 centimetres or 7.4 inches in US strange units. 0.05% total compression of the spring!! And after that it unloads to normal size.

So if the whole top part of WTC1 fell down on the part below it would have only compressed the part below 0.05% and then ... that would be it. The bale of cotton above could not cause any damage. No global collapse! The bale of cotton would bounce back!

Only fools, or people being fooled by their masters, or people who do not think at all or have inferior knowledge and education, believe that steel towers disintegrate in 1000 000's of pieces when a feather lands on the roof. Because that is what it was in physical terms.

Read my paper again. It's for children.
 
Heiwa said:
?? Not really - you have probably not read my article. I use 33 000 tons for the top part of WTC1 in my calculations (with the help of gurich).

So these 33 000 tons fall down through the 3.7 meters high initiation zone and impacts the structure below (we are told by NIST and Bazant) with an energy that is 1.221 GJ or GNm or 340 kWh as I have explained earlier.

NIST and Bazant think this is an enormous energi that impacts at high velocity but it is really only a bale of cotton hitting the floor!! Or LESS!

OK - the floor and its structure is according Bazant like a 370 meter high spring with spring constant C = 71 GN/m because there is plenty of structure below. 71 GN/m spring constant is pretty much, as you know (or probably not)? Read Bazant's paper.

Anyway - we physicians can calculate how much a spring with spring constant C = 71 GN/m compresses when you compress it with 1.221 GNm.

Can you guess how much? Guess! Does it break into 1000's pieces?

No, the answer is that the spring compresses 18.5 centimetres or 7.4 inches in US strange units. 0.05% total compression of the spring!! And after that it unloads to normal size.

So if the whole top part of WTC1 fell down on the part below it would have only compressed the part below 0.05% and then ... that would be it. The bale of cotton above could not cause any damage. No global collapse! The bale of cotton would bounce back!

Only fools, or people being fooled by their masters, or people who do not think at all or have inferior knowledge and education, believe that steel towers disintegrate in 1000 000's of pieces when a feather lands on the roof. Because that is what it was in physical terms.

Read my paper again. It's for children.
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For children, written by children

And, completely wrong by the way
 
Heiwa said:
So if the whole top part of WTC1 fell down on the part below it would have only compressed the part below 0.05% and then ... that would be it. The bale of cotton above could not cause any damage. No global collapse! The bale of cotton would bounce back!

Only fools, or people being fooled by their masters, or people who do not think at all or have inferior knowledge and education, believe that steel towers disintegrate in 1000 000's of pieces when a feather lands on the roof. Because that is what it was in physical terms.
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So there we have it - Heiwa's Law. Two top sections of skyscrapers, each no more than a "bale of cotton" in the effects on the lower structures of WTC 1 and WTC 2. And the world's structural engineers and forensic scientists are just fools, too dumb or brainwashed to see it.
 
bje said:
So there we have it - Heiwa's Law. Two top sections of skyscrapers, each no more than a "bale of cotton" in the effects on the lower structures of WTC 1 and WTC 2. And the world's structural engineers and forensic scientists are just fools, too dumb or brainwashed to see it.
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Amazing, isn't it? But that is exactly what NIST and Bazant proposes happens when 1.22 GJ (Giga Joule) energy (the 33 000 ton falling top part of WTC1) compresses the lower structure with spring constant C = 71 GN/m (Giga Newton per meter). There is an elastic compression of 19 centimetres ... and the top part should bounce back. Elementary. Giga powers! But it is like a feather falling on a straw. Physics.

And the world's structural engineers and forensic scientists should be embarrassed. But they are too clever and well paid for that or worry about their pensions or jobs or futures to say anything ... they just nod. It is embarassing. That's Heiwa's Law.

For Björkmans (a.k.a. as Heiwa) axiom - check Google and brush up your Swedish.
 
Amazing, isn't it Anders. You challenge people to debunk your theory and then run away from the post that shows your argument about steel being magically fireproof is a bit....well....let's call it suspect, shall we?
 
Heiwa said:
Actually I show that there is no fall of 3.7 meters (!) as the wall columns at the initiation zone are still intact when the roof has fallen 3.7 meters!!

Strange! And before the wall columns at the initiation zone disappears out of sight, dust and smoke blow out through the windows adjacent to these intact columns!

And the top part above seems to disintegrate before that! Where according Nist the floors drop down - and the wall columns are intact???

Actually - what moves first is the roof! And then the wall columns at floors 94-97 are still intact for at least 5 seconds.

The Nist suggestion that the wall columns at floors 94-97 collapse first is simply BS. Nist has apparently missed that instant forensic evidence and that's why I ask Nist in my article (and also by direct mail to dr Kayser of Nist) to correct the Nist report.

Nothing conspiratorial about that! I am a serious person and want to assist.
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This is my fourth time posting this video. Heiwa, what benefit do you gain from lying to people who know you're lying? That really is odd behavior. Why not stop?

 
Ever wonder what offspring would result if Malcolm Kirkman and Max Photon could mate? Wonder no more:

Heiwa said:
Amazing, isn't it? But that is exactly what NIST and Bazant proposes happens when 1.22 GJ (Giga Joule) energy (the 33 000 ton falling top part of WTC1) compresses the lower structure with spring constant C = 71 GN/m (Giga Newton per meter). There is an elastic compression of 19 centimetres ... and the top part should bounce back. Elementary. Giga powers! But it is like a feather falling on a straw. Physics.

And the world's structural engineers and forensic scientists should be embarrassed. But they are too clever and well paid for that or worry about their pensions or jobs or futures to say anything ... they just nod. It is embarassing. That's Heiwa's Law.

For Björkmans (a.k.a. as Heiwa) axiom - check Google and brush up your Swedish.
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