Question for Heiwa

[DGM]

DONE!

MM

Actually this is a lie. You did not back up your assertion you told me to.

 

[twinstead]

When you argue with the puppets here Heiwa, you are really taking on their masters and all the unlimited resources they can bring to bear.

Good luck and keep a thick skin.

MM

Well of course, because we all are highly-paid government debunkers with the power of th NWO at our disposal. (cue evil laughter)

MM, is this what they teach you in Conspiracy Theory 101?

 

[Miragememories]

Actually this is a lie. You did not back up your assertion you told me to.

How can it possibly be a lie?

Neither your response or mine was that specific.

You puppets are just so quick with the "liar, liar pants on fire!"

MM

 

[Mancman]

When you argue with the puppets here Heiwa, you are really taking on their masters and all the unlimited resources they can bring to bear.

Good luck and keep a thick skin.

MM

I think you need to talk to someone. Not joking. Seriously, seek help.

 

[uk_dave]

We are a conspiracy theory.

Neat.

 

[Miragememories]

Well of course, because we all are highly-paid government debunkers with the power of th NWO at our disposal. (cue evil laughter)

MM, is this what they teach you in Conspiracy Theory 101?

People will allow themselves, unwittingly or otherwise, to perform in any puppet show if they strongly believe in it's particular cause.

Some people see the hard choices ahead and choose to support the status quo and say "tough luck for those without the military might to challenge us."

The real patriots are those who refuse to be selfish puppets and view themselves as citizens of the whole world.

MM

 

[uk_dave]

People will allow themselves, unwittingly or otherwise, to perform in any puppet show if they strongly believe in it's particular cause.

Is that what you're doing?

The real patriots are those who refuse to be selfish puppets and view themselves as citizens of the whole world.

MM

Isn't that the NWO?

Crikey, MM, what exactly are you trying to confess to?

 

[Pardalis]

I see some minor office fires

Unbelievable.

 

[funk de fino]

I see some minor office fires at different floors

Now I can see what someone who is truly delusional acts like.

It is very sad

I was up those towers in july 2001, they were huge, quite beyond anything I have ever seen then or since, those fires are massive, probably the largest in manhattans history and this fellow european thinks its small office fires

It is not worth wasting time on someone like this

 

[uk_dave]

Perhaps it would be useful to list a few of the most glaring errors stated by Heiwa.

Obviously we have at number 1....

The towers were the same structural design as every other multistorey steel frame structure

Then we have.....

Fireproofing to steel is to prevent the fire from being transferred via the steel

In addition to this we have....

The fireproofing to the columns was actually thermal insulation to prevent heat loss/gain

And now we have ....

They were small office fires

Classy.

 

[Heiwa]

I'm glad you accept that photo as authentic. Do you see the pronounced inward bowing from about floors 95-98, around columns 316-321?

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/879047797a8d614f3.jpg[/qimg]

Are you sure this is the South wall? Compare figure 8-44 (also South wall at 9.19 hrs am) in previous message. They do not look the same. Fires are at different areas, which is good. The fires moved around and were short lived = not lot of influence on structure. Look eg at floor 95/column 351 left side.

OK - the latest NYPD picture at 10.22 hrs - one hour later - is 'digitally enhanced',etc. I doubt very much that 'inward bowing' at floor 98/column 321 is 39 inch = 1 meter!!

Doubt? No, the 'inward bowing' figures are absolute nonsense.

The person - NYPD? - doing this fakery knows nothing about steel structures + bolted floors of a wall opposite the real damage (by the plane).

Plenty of false info - copyright of course + All rights reserved - floating around.

 

[Heiwa]

When you argue with the puppets here Heiwa, you are really taking on their masters and all the unlimited resources they can bring to bear.

Good luck and keep a thick skin.

MM

Hallo MM. Thanks - it is quite obvious actually how the puppets obstruct this forum. Re their masters I am not too worried. With such puppets!

 

[tsig]

Bowing of the columns indicates bowing of the columns.

"Imminent failure" expectation is nothing but speculation, and is often applied to the bowing column observation as a means of bolstering the Official Conspiracy Theory collapse hypothesis.

There were no boats.

MM

All the towers had lifeboats in case of a tidal storm surge. They were build by the Port Authority after all.

 

[Heiwa]

Now I can see what someone who is truly delusional acts like.

It is very sad

I was up those towers in july 2001, they were huge, quite beyond anything I have ever seen then or since, those fires are massive, probably the largest in manhattans history and this fellow european thinks its small office fires

It is not worth wasting time on someone like this

So why waste your time? I have also been up in the Towers - American Bureau of Shipping's office on 94th floor (WTC2 ?) - just normal office furniture, etc. Not much that could burn.

Sorry - no massive fires. I agree with NYFD - they could easily have handled the fires. But something happened ... It concerns me.

 

[tsig]

When you argue with the puppets here Heiwa, you are really taking on their masters and all the unlimited resources they can bring to bear.

Good luck and keep a thick skin.

MM

Yeah the limited resources of the JREF. Why you know Randi can even afford to give away a million dollars on a whim.

Well there is the NWO kitty see him and know fear.

 

[tsig]

How can it possibly be a lie?

Neither your response or mine was that specific.

You puppets are just so quick with the "liar, liar pants on fire!"

MM

Who's yanking your strings?

I haven't heard that cry since the third grade.

 

[tsig]

People will allow themselves, unwittingly or otherwise, to perform in any puppet show if they strongly believe in it's particular cause.

Some people see the hard choices ahead and choose to support the status quo and say "tough luck for those without the military might to challenge us."

The real patriots are those who refuse to be selfish puppets and view themselves as citizens of the whole world.

MM

Yeah and when you go to the bathroom there's nothing but the smell of roses in the air.

How can a puppet be selfish or have any emotions?

 

[tsig]

Are you sure this is the South wall? Compare figure 8-44 (also South wall at 9.19 hrs am) in previous message. They do not look the same. Fires are at different areas, which is good. The fires moved around and were short lived = not lot of influence on structure. Look eg at floor 95/column 351 left side.

OK - the latest NYPD picture at 10.22 hrs - one hour later - is 'digitally enhanced',etc. I doubt very much that 'inward bowing' at floor 98/column 321 is 39 inch = 1 meter!!

Doubt? No, the 'inward bowing' figures are absolute nonsense.

The person - NYPD? - doing this fakery knows nothing about steel structures + bolted floors of a wall opposite the real damage (by the plane).

Plenty of false info - copyright of course + All rights reserved - floating around.

Your whole comment is false info.

"I doubt" is your whole statement and your whole argument.

Figures can't lie but liars can figure.

 

[Heiwa]

No, you make it clear that you are writing about both WTC 1 and WETC 2. Let me refresh your memory, Heiwa:



Since the mass of the top section of WTC 2 was 110,000 tons, and not 33,000 tons, you must do recalculations. You may not exclude mass from any calculation.

Please do the recalculations for WTC 2 and get back to us with your corrections for that tower.

Not necessary - the relevant columns of WTC2 were much stronger as they were further down in the building but naturally with the same stresses as explained in my article.

Also the damages were much less at WTC2 - and the fires much smaller - so the perpetrators had to finish that job quickly.

Unfortunately WTC2 is less well documented by media, because nobody expected the tower to suddenly ... explode. But WTC1 - is a different story. That's why I concentrate on it in my story for children ... and other interested parties. Keep it simple - then people will understand.

 

[funk de fino]

So why waste your time? I have also been up in the Towers - American Bureau of Shipping's office on 94th floor (WTC2 ?) - just normal office furniture, etc. Not much that could burn.

Sorry - no massive fires. I agree with NYFD - they could easily have handled the fires. But something happened ... It concerns me.

You really didnt need to confirm your delusional stance to me

It is not the NYFD, and you are lying about what you think they could have done. Your pathetic claims of fakery have you stuck on as a troll and no better than any of the loose change teenager morons

I can handle the delusional stuff but not dishonesty. If you look at those pictures and do not see huge fires then you are not a well person.