Question about racial purity

[seayakin]

<slightly off-topic>You are a cultural relativist, and there's nothing wrong with that. All it means is that you recognise the diversity, complexity and significance of culture(s)—as your excellent post illustrates—but it doesn't mean that, as any cultural practice can only be understood in terms of the culture that it exists within, that this automatically legitimates that practice or that we should be excluded from making a moral or ethical judgement about that practice.</slightly off-topic>

True, I guess I have been using the term (cultural relativity) with a slightly different meaning. I was thinking more in terms of how it might be used in a political context stating that "we have to accept any form of behavior as long as it conforms to cultural expectations." (see http://www.sociology.org.uk/p2d4.htm).

I certainly don't agree that any form of behavior is acceptable as long as it conforms to cultural expectations.

 

[SunTsu]

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Do you consider this racist?

More illogical than racist. It is a beckoning of a bygone era..

 

[Pablo]

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Do you consider this racist?

Aryan blah blah blah...

Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "Ausländer" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our pure nation. We are a White people with a white culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the white continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free states, we are Aryan.

For the Race to do. Outside the Race nothing.
Für das Rennen zum Tun. Außerhalb des Rennens nichts.

Sorry for bringing this up so late. I only caught up with this thread today.

I only wanted to point out that those proud Ayans know very little of their alleged "ancestral" white culture. Besides several grammatical errors which I shall not correct, lest they end up using MY words to promote their ideas, whoever wrote the German text had a very poor grasp of a)the German language and b) the use of a bilingual dictionary. This is, I believe, what they are actually saying in German (any correction will of course be appreciated):

"Für das Rennen zum Tun. Ausserhalb des Rennens nichts".

"For the running to the action. Outside the running, nothing".

Maybe they are promoting olympic ideals, which are indeed part of the ancestral European culture...

 

[SunTsu]

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Sorry for bringing this up so late. I only caught up with this thread today.

I only wanted to point out that those proud Ayans know very little of their alleged "ancestral" white culture. Besides several grammatical errors which I shall not correct, lest they end up using MY words to promote their ideas, whoever wrote the German text had a very poor grasp of a)the German language and b) the use of a bilingual dictionary. This is, I believe, what they are actually saying in German (any correction will of course be appreciated):

"Für das Rennen zum Tun. Ausserhalb des Rennens nichts".

"For the running to the action. Outside the running, nothing".

Maybe they are promoting olympic ideals, which are indeed part of the ancestral European culture...

Pablo, a very relevant point indeed!

The other problem I think with our Aryan friends is that they seem to forget that several of the "inferior untermenschen" races according to some historical records actually were more advanced in many areas. Also much of their vaunted white culture was lent to them by the same people they disparage. Then again our Aryan friends would probably say that it was a lie made up by non-Aryans.

Nazi Alfred Rosenberg was considered a bit of a crackpot (even by some of the more extreme Nazi's) in his day for his book "Myths of the 20th Century" which was a poor mashed agglomeration of outdated, unoriginal Aryan nonsense, but I think he'd be pleased to know that his extreme views may still breathe their noxious breath within the various Aryan movements.

If we could get past the things that make us want to kill each other such as Master Races, Master Religions, Master Political Ideologies we may just survive as a species. As important as we think we are, we are simply gains of sand in the context of the universe.

 

[Gaga]

Hello,
I don't know if something like an european culture really exists, (I mean something that remained unchanged trough the centuries and that cover the area that we consider Europe now...)
My country, for example, being in the middle of mediterranean sea has always been populated by a variety of folks.
It's been a long time since I took my history classes, but as far as i remember we had the romans, who became a really mixed group incorporating rather than destroying lots of the invaded lands and cultures, than we've been influenced by (in random order ) huns, french, austrian, turks, jews, various eastern european countries, americans, etc.
asfaik my ancestors are italian, but nontheless my family name trace back to Iran, go figure...
In the timespan from the dawn of the roman empire and now LOTS of things happened, and of course are changeing as we speak now..

 

[Filippo Lippi]

In my debate with the English Nationalist/racists I told them that my mother had seen proof that her great, great... grandfather came from Milan to Nottingham in 1812. I also told them that my surname is possibly Hugonot French. I then asked if I was English and they refused to answer me.

 

[Gaga]

In my debate with the English Nationalist/racists I told them that my mother had seen proof that her great, great... grandfather came from Milan to Nottingham in 1812. I also told them that my surname is possibly Hugonot French. I then asked if I was English and they refused to answer me.

I read that thread, good work indeed. And yes, Italians have wandered a lot, wages have always been low here

Actually what worries me is the lack of culture and common sense (that german/english translation quoted by Pablo was hilarious, and I might add that "foreign Ausländer" is saying the same thing twice) instead of the change over time of the local customs, which imho are inevitable and not necessarily bad (I like kebab, for example)

 

[SunTsu]

That is a very beautiful thought, Blue Monk.

And by the way, Europe is also a melting pot, and I am personally contributing to "melting" it a bit further. Look at me - I am Croatian, but when I look several generations back, my ancestors were Croatian, Austrian, Polish and Jewish. I have relatives living in Bosnia, Slovenia, even Argentina and United States.

To make it even more complicated: My husband is English, with some Irish ancestry. My late stepfather was half Dutch and half Indonesian. My good friend in London is Macedonian, dating an English guy of Indian origin. My husband's friends include an Irish guy dating a Zimbabwean girl, an Indian guy married to a New Zealand girl and a South African guy about to get married to a Spanish girl. On Saturday we went to a barbecue with a couple - he is Iranian, she is German of Kurdish origin. Isn't life wonderful? Wouldn't the world be such a boring place if we all did not have a chance to mix?

What will my child be in ethnic terms? I don't care, to be honest.

My two cousins were born in the United States. They are Americans, of Croatian origin. For those posters who are concerned about America becoming less white - so are my cousins, second generation immigrants, more American than American-born children of Chinese or Somali immigrants, just because they are light haired and blue-eyed? Ridiculous.

The way you have expressed your views, gives me hope that maybe we humans can actually overcome these occasional fears some of us seem to have regarding losing our "identities". It seems common that we identify ourselves by ethnicity. Even as a child it seemed to be too low a level to make the distinction. It never seemed to me sensible to judge a person and condemn them because of skin colour or unusual (to me) cultural practices such as not eating certain foods etc. It seemed much better to look at assume we all are the same, but some get opportunities and others get challenges and it is how we meet these that make us worthwhile as people.

I am a mix of races like you. My wife is also a mix of Filipino, Chinese and Spanish. I have a two year old girl who is partly Filipino, Chinese, Spanish, Irish, Welsh and of course Australian (which is all of those races and more anyway). She has been assessed as having a very high IQ which I hope will translate to high ability and capability later on. It saddens me that in spite of her gift there are still many in the world who would deny her basic rights if they could because of the colour of her skin and because she lacks so-called purity. I guess as long as I am alive and as long as she can be judged by others by her "race" rather than her ability or her contribution to society, I have to keep up the fight. People who think like you give me some hope. When I hear some of these other posters talking racial segregation, discomfort with the disappearence of a white majority, the "well THEY all stick together so why shouldn't we" school, I start to feel maybe all is lost.