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Cont: Qanon Conspiracy Theories Part Three

Armitage72 said:
I may be misremembering, but doesn't a statement like that impact a potential insanity defense? One of the factors is not realizing at the time of the crime that your actions are wrong?
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It certainly seems like an admission of mens rea to me. If your defense is that you applied a moral calculus and decided upon what you believed was the least harmful course of action, that calculus is subject to adjudication by a judge or jury. Lawyers tell me that murder has a special status in criminal law because the degree to which the calculus is legally justified results in a difference in the charge. In any case, if the actus rea is admitted, then I would think it really just devolves into sentencing rhetoric. If the father admits a culpable state of mind, then his only recourse is to plead for a lighter sentence in light of what his beliefs were at the time.
 
JayUtah said:
Dunno, that strikes me as the kind of guy who probably would have done something horrific regardless of the excuse.
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I'm not so sure I can agree with that. Radicalization is a thing after all, and I think it would be a mistake to undersell how adopting a body of belief can alter a person's moral limits. The whole point of the fantastically evil claims QAnon makes about its villains is exactly that, to justify an extreme response to the "threat" that would not be justified in the case of more mundane crimes.
 
Checkmite said:
I'm not so sure I can agree with that. Radicalization is a thing after all, and I think it would be a mistake to undersell how adopting a body of belief can alter a person's moral limits. The whole point of the fantastically evil claims QAnon makes about its villains is exactly that, to justify an extreme response to the "threat" that would not be justified in the case of more mundane crimes.
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Well if QAnon's detrimental influence is that powerful, then I see your point.
 
JayUtah said:
Well if QAnon's detrimental influence is that powerful, then I see your point.
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But is it? I don't see how. Posters here aren't driven to murder our families after reading Q tales. Pretty sure the silicon chip has to be switched to overload first.
 
Thermal said:
But is it? I don't see how. Posters here aren't driven to murder our families after reading Q tales. Pretty sure the silicon chip has to be switched to overload first.
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It might be more helpful to think of Q-Anon as one of the more dangerous CT sets when it comes to radicalization of the susceptible and the results of such. Sure, the base conditions need to be met in the first place for people to be susceptible, but just being susceptible alone isn't going to radicalize people. With that said, though, in this case, it's pretty obvious that there was already something seriously wrong to start with and with that in mind, I'm just not going to blindly trust the claims of the murdering dad at face value.
 
JayUtah said:
Well if QAnon's detrimental influence is that powerful, then I see your point.
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It's not just QAnon's Influence It's the lack of hope and despair many People feel.
Take the Nashville Bomber, I met him in 2005 at the Nashville state fair, he was upset his competitors were hurting his Alarm security business and he couldn't offer Cellular Alarm systems just wired systems. So he was Promoting the Cell phones cause Cancer theories.
He even Joked That I was one of the Lizard people, because of my live demonstration of what I could do with a Chainsaw.
Fast forward a few years and his mind must have snapped, he must have started believing the stuff he was saying was real. Sad it seems like he was a nice guy in 2005.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
It's not just QAnon's Influence It's the lack of hope and despair many People feel.
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Despair at what? Things aren't exactly terrible right now.

Cult and conspiracy behaviour seems more out of a desire to "fit in" a group of some sort after the person rejects society at large. There might be many reasons for this, but right now the right-wing in the US seems to reject it because the brown and black people aren't being kept down anymore.
 
Belz... said:
Despair at what? Things aren't exactly terrible right now.

Cult and conspiracy behaviour seems more out of a desire to "fit in" a group of some sort after the person rejects society at large. There might be many reasons for this, but right now the right-wing in the US seems to reject it because the brown and black people aren't being kept down anymore.
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There is a lot of Dispare in Rual America that people can't get ahead working anymore, that there is no fairness no American Dream.
That has turned into anger and Resentment.
Doomerism I see it everywhere, sad really, people are losing hope in this Pandemic and turning to religion and conspiracy theories ignoring Science logic and wisdom.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
There is a lot of Dispare in Rual America that people can't get ahead working anymore, that there is no fairness no American Dream.
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Can you translate that? What does that mean? Can they get work? What does it mean to "get ahead"? And when were they able to get ahead before?

Doomerism I see it everywhere, sad really, people are losing hope in this Pandemic and turning to religion and conspiracy theories ignoring Science logic and wisdom.
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Considering the complaints that come out of those circles, economic concerns doesn't seem to rank very high.
 
Belz... said:
Can you translate that? What does that mean? Can they get work? What does it mean to "get ahead"? And when were they able to get ahead before?



Considering the complaints that come out of those circles, economic concerns doesn't seem to rank very high.
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Number one, No not good paying Jobs. Many blame big banks and Government for the mess they are in.

Number two, It's all economic and More they hate modern society, and technology because it costs them so much to have it.
Case in point some loggers I know who bought a 250,000 dollar machine they couldn't repair themselves, and the cost of Repairing it cost them a farm they got in a revolutionary War grant.
Many feel modern technology is a cheat, no right to repair, no help from big Companies they view it as corruption of the system.
 
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Crazy Chainsaw said:
Number one, No not good paying Jobs.
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That's rather vague. What's "good-paying"? And regardless, why can't they get such jobs?

Many blame big banks and Government for the mess they are in.
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Yeah people love blaming others for the mess they're in.

Number two, It's all economic and More they hate modern society, and technology because it costs them so much to have it.
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Oh, It's definitely about modern society, as I said. The world has changed and they ain't no liking it.

Case in point some loggers I know who bought a 250,000 dollar machine they couldn't repair themselves, and the cost of Repairing it cost them a farm they got in a revolutionary War grant.
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What does any of this have to do with the economy or technology? Sounds like they made a bad investment.
 
Belz... said:
That's rather vague. What's "good-paying"? And regardless, why can't they get such jobs?
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Location's probably the number one answer there. A number of people are not in a position where they can easily move. As for what counts as a "good-paying" job, well... many look back at how boomers were popularized as doing. Single income supports getting a decent house and raising a family without falling into long-term debt.

Belz... said:
Yeah people love blaming others for the mess they're in.
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Even moreso when they're exposed to, for example, Fox's grievance propaganda all the time. As it stands, though, their blame is not completely unfounded, even if it doesn't tell the whole story by a long shot.

Belz... said:
What does any of this have to do with the economy or technology? Sounds like they made a bad investment.
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Depends on the specifics. If, for example, they actually could have fixed it with relatively little cost had they been contractually/legally allowed to do so, that really compounds how maddening it is. Emotions work on somewhat less directly rational logic, regardless.
 
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Aridas said:
Location's probably the number one answer there. A number of people are not in a position where they can easily move. As for what counts as a "good-paying" job, well... many look back at how boomers were popularized as doing. Single income supports getting a decent house and raising a family without falling into long-term debt.



Even moreso when they're exposed to, for example, Fox's grievance propaganda all the time. As it stands, though, their blame is not completely unfounded, even if it doesn't tell the whole story by a long shot.



Depends on the specifics. If, for example, they actually could have fixed it with relatively little cost had they been contractually/legally allowed to do so, that really compounds how maddening it is. Emotions work on somewhat less directly rational logic, regardless.
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The Company controlled the software under Copywright and the couldn't access the Problem codes without a Company Lap Top, which the Company refused to provide.

Look up Right to repair, Companies are locking people out of the Computers on the machines they purchase.
 
Belz... said:
That's rather vague. What's "good-paying"? And regardless, why can't they get such jobs?
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Belz, there are places in the US where there are no "good-paying jobs", unless you are related to someone who can put you on the payroll. The county where I grew up, in Southeast Tennessee, and where all my Trump-loving relatives still live, has NO factory jobs left. Since those were almost all the "good-paying jobs" in the county for folks with a high-school education, they have to drive to other counties for any work that pays better than fast-food or Wal-Mart.

Thirty-five years ago, I moved to Nashville for just that reason. I wanted to work in IT. But everyone can't move to an urban area and make it.
 
Hey Bubba, where's Trump? I thought Q said he'd be back? Also, where's Q?

Maybe (snicker) Amazing Polly knows.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Another CTer fail.
 
https://www.wesh.com/article/lakeland-family-massacre-bryan-riley/37528237

I’ve used spoiler tags because this story is pretty upsetting and enraging.

Former Marine murders a 3 month old baby, his parents, and an old lady, then tortures an 11 year old girl to find out where a non-existent victim of sex trafficking is. She survives only because he thinks she is dead.


QAnon fans - this is what happens when you spread lies and stupid fantasies about stuff which you don’t understand. It’s all fun and games until this week’s latest loon snaps. You bear a small but not infinitesimal amount of responsibility for this. Sure, you’ll never be convicted in any court, but please have a think about this before you repost some nonsense or start ‘just asking questions’.
 
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