'Pull It'

[Gravy]

It seems to me that any instruction to a fire chief, including "pull it" would have its meaning restricted to the limitation of the fire department's capabilities.

Removing his firefighters from a building is one of them. Is covert controlled demolition within the fire department's remit?

Bear in mind that firefighters are really not the most educated of people and such people do not tend to keep secrets very well. If they had been used to employ these tactics on this building I imagine there would be numerous credible testimonies as to what type and size of devices were used and I don't believe there has been.

Hi, personable. Welcome to the forums.

A couple of points about your post

1) It's important to remember that Silverstein wasn't instructing the FDNY to do anything, nor did he have any authority over anything the FDNY did.

2) The FDNY people I know are very intelligent and highly trained. Firefighters here have to potentially deal with a mind-boggling array of hazards. I've read several comments from fire safety experts, and spoken to firefighters from elsewhere, who say that the FDNY is the best-trained in the world, but I have no way to gauge that. That said, you are absolutely right about the impossiblilty of keeping such a conspiracy quiet, especially when it would involve asking the firefighters to stop rescue operations in order to participate in a crime!

 

[Unfit4Command]

The whole idea that some CTs like using about how "pull it" somehow means to demolish a building with explosives is one of the most annoying theories I hear. Whenever I hear someone try to make that point I want to kick them in the face, then repeatedly kick them while they're lying on the ground, then knee drop their face, then pick them up and crack their ribs on my knee. jk.

But lately I've really been starting to realize that 90% of the people who believe the "pull it" thing are EXTREMELY un-educated on the subject, much like 90% of the whole Truth Movement. ugh, I wish people would do research on both sides before deciding which to believe.

 

[njslim]

PULL or PULL IT is common term among fire service. Have often heard
it over radio on fire ground here in New Jersey. It means conditions are
critical and time to get your men out to regroup and fight fire from
outside using master streams. It does not mean BLOW UP THE BUILDING!
Really get annoyed by gross stupidity

 

[pgwenthold]

I really don't see the big deal over this remark at all, it is abundantly clear he is talking about the fire fighting operation.

No, you are correct. This is really not a big deal at all. But for some reason, CT loons think it is.

They keep going on with this "pull it" meaning he wanted it destroyed. But we don't have to speculate.

We have this

On September 9, 2005, Mr. Dara McQuillan, a spokesman for Silverstein Properties, issued the following statement on this issue:

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As noted above, when Mr. Silverstein was recounting these events for a television documentary he stated, “I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is to pull it.” Mr. McQuillan has stated that by “it,” Mr. Silverstein meant the contingent of firefighters remaining in the building.]

That's it. It is done with. He has clarified exactly what he meant when he said "pull it." We don't have to discuss whether it is a fireman term or any such crap, or whether anyone knows how it is used in a CD. According to his spokesman, when Silverstein said that they decided to "pull it," he was refering to the firefighters inside.

Of course, CT morons will claim that he is lying, but what else can you do? It can't be any clearer.

 

[hellaeon]

I'm given to understand that the concept of "pulling" has to do with aborting a military operation. To "pull" a mission is to end it prematurely. So, Sileverstein was properly employing a bit of miltary jargon left over from his youth during WWII.

boom ching! I applaud you sir!

 

[hellaeon]

The whole idea that some CTs like using about how "pull it" somehow means to demolish a building with explosives is one of the most annoying theories I hear. Whenever I hear someone try to make that point I want to kick them in the face, then repeatedly kick them while they're lying on the ground, then knee drop their face, then pick them up and crack their ribs on my knee. jk.

But lately I've really been starting to realize that 90% of the people who believe the "pull it" thing are EXTREMELY un-educated on the subject, much like 90% of the whole Truth Movement. ugh, I wish people would do research on both sides before deciding which to believe.

Belief is what is applied to the CT. Facts and knowledge is applied as best as possible for the official story so there is no need to believe something.

 

[Loss Leader]

boom ching! I applaud you sir!

Thanks, I'm here all week.

 

[Hamradioguy]

Does "pull it" have the same meaning to a firefighter than it does to a demolition tech?

The only thing close in firefighting is:
1. "Pull your men out." (i.e evacuate the building.)
2. "Pull the hook" (Go to the nearest alarm box-see Bell's photo
previously posted- and pull the handle....we need more
firefighters ASAP.) This term is regional I believe.

I've never heard the term "Pull it" used in demolition work.

BTW, I have 40 years firefighting experience including Chief of two different departments, and almost as many years working a bit with explosives- Have VT Explosives license number 008......

 

[gumboot]

One thing I find funny...

Why is it so obvious to CTers that a business man, talking to a fireman about fire-fighting operations, would use demolitions jargon.

That's illogical.

If a dentist is talking to an electrician about the wiring for his office, does he use astronaught slang?

When a postman is talking to a doctor about his medical treatment, do they use film industry slang?

So retarded, it's not funny.

-Gumboot

 

[Loss Leader]

If a dentist is talking to an electrician about the wiring for his office, does he use astronaut slang?

Electrician, Dentist.
Go, Dentist.
Electrician, we have reached LEO.
Very good, Dentist. You are go for MICO.
Copy, go for MICO. MICO in 3, 2 1 ... No joy. Electrician, we are no joy for MICO!
Dentist, we read you as no joy for MICO.
[unintelligible]
Dentist, UHF comm check.
(pause)
Dentist, UHF comm check.
(long pause)
Lock the doors.

 

[personable]

To be a FDNY fire fighter you only need 15 college credits or military experience. With that said, education has little to do with intelligence or the ability to keep a secret.

Interesting. Here in the UK, to become a firefighter you need nothing more than two arms, two legs and be able to explain why you want to join the fire brigade more than any of the other jobs that involve flashing blue lights and uniforms. But of course FDNY is the relevant example here, so 15 college credits is the level we're speaking about.

I don't think its quite correct to say education has little standing as far as intelligence or 'secret keeping' is concerned; there is a correlation. When one has invested a great deal of time and effort into his profession and is rewarded duly, he tends to understand the whys and the wherefores involved in any 'secret keeping'. People who are in the type of jobs you just 'walk into' have very little to lose and tend to have less scruples about betraying their employer. Look at disgruntled employees as a whole as an example - they generally tend to be from the lower spectrum of the workforce.

This is why I believe if the fire service were involved in a controlled demolition that we would be more likely to hear first from the blue collar firemen rather than say a fire chief. Since I'm quite sure we would have heard by now and we have not, then I believe there is no truth in this part of the CT.

 

[personable]

Whenever I hear someone try to make that point I want to kick them in the face...etc...

What does that tell you about your own argument?

 

[stateofgrace]

Interesting. Here in the UK, to become a firefighter you need nothing more than two arms, two legs and be able to explain why you want to join the fire brigade more than any of the other jobs that involve flashing blue lights and uniforms.

Really?

That's news to me. Are you implying the UK fire service is populated with below average intelligent people?

Have you ever tried to get into the fire service in the UK? Do you speak through personnel experience?

I think my mate who tried unsuccessfully on a number of times to get into the fire service may have some what differing views to you.

Please be very careful when you categorise entire professions this may, some people may take offence.

 

[firecoins]

To be a FDNY fire fighter you only need 15 college credits or military experience. With that said, education has little to do with intelligence or the ability to keep a secret.

http://nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/community/ff_eligibility_requirements_080106.shtml

To be hired as a New York City Firefighter, you must:

• Pass both the written and physical exams;
• Pass a medical exam and background investigation;
• Be at least 21 years of age;
• Be a U.S. citizen;
• Have at least 15 college semester credits earned as a result of satisfactory completion of course work at a college or university accredited by an accrediting body recognized by the U.S. Secretary of Education and the Council for Higher Education or full time military service with an honorable discharge; or 6 months of full time, satisfactory paid work experience;
• Hold a motor vehicle driver's license valid in New York State;
• Be a resident of one of the five boroughs of New York City, or live in Nassau, Orange, Putnam, Rockland, Suffolk or Westchester County;
• Be a Certified First Responder with Defibrillation (CFR-D)*.

 

[maccy]

Interesting. Here in the UK, to become a firefighter you need nothing more than two arms, two legs and be able to explain why you want to join the fire brigade more than any of the other jobs that involve flashing blue lights and uniforms.

I think the London Fire Brigade would disagree with you on that:

Do you see yourself sliding down a pole and jumping onto a gleaming red fire engine? Then screaming off into the night, lights flashing and sirens blaring?
Think again. Nowadays there's more to being a professional firefighter than wearing a uniform and racing around. The emphasis for us is on preventing fires. This means firefighters helping to educate the community about the importance of fire safety.
Have a look at our questions, designed to help you assess whether you're cut out to be a firefighter.
Clearly, it's still crucial to fight fires when they occur - and in fact, the London Fire Brigade is now better trained and better equipped than ever for this necessity.
We also get involved with serious emergency scenes. Road, rail and air traffic accidents call for our attendance, along with chemical spillages and floods - or rescue work where people are trapped in lifts or tunnels.
If you pass the necessary tests, you can look forward to a career that gives you the chance to form incredibly strong bonds with the rest of your team and touch the lives of many ordinary people

http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/recruitment/become_firefighter.asp

Being a firefighter seems an attractive job to many. We receive thousands of enquiries about it each year. In our selection process, we aim to avoid recruiting people only for them to discover after a short time that it is not what they expected.
Certain qualities needed to make an effective firefighter are not always immediately obvious.

http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/recruitment/for_you.asp

Also, details of the selection process:

http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/recruitment/general_fitness.asp

 

[gfunkusarelius]

how do they address the question that, if they (LC'ers) believe "pull it" means to blow up the building, why did he admit to it publicly in a recorded interview? are they saying he didn't realize he should be hiding that vital part of the conspiracy? do they just hope no one asks that question? i don't see how anyone can even take it seriously for a second.

 

[bjb]

Electrician, Dentist.
Go, Dentist.
Electrician, we have reached LEO.
Very good, Dentist. You are go for MICO.
Copy, go for MICO. MICO in 3, 2 1 ... No joy. Electrician, we are no joy for MICO!
Dentist, we read you as no joy for MICO.
[unintelligible]
Dentist, UHF comm check.
(pause)
Dentist, UHF comm check.
(long pause)
Lock the doors.

This is what happens when people try to use lingo intended for use by rocket scientists. The correct acronym is MECO, which stands for Main Engine CutOff.

 

[personable]

Really?

That's news to me. Are you implying the UK fire service is populated with below average intelligent people?

Have you ever tried to get into the fire service in the UK? Do you speak through personnel experience?

I think my mate who tried unsuccessfully on a number of times to get into the fire service may have some what differing views to you.

Please be very careful when you categorise entire professions this may, some people may take offence.

Perhaps my choice of words was a little flippant, and for that and that only, I will retract. It was not my intention to tar all firefighters as being sub-intellectual.

The point I was making however, still stands. The links you and the other chap have provided for fire service in the UK clearly show you do not need any academic qualifications to apply; you only need to pass their standard tests, which I think speak for themselves ie extract information from a training manual and apply it to a situation. Hardly rocket science.

Compare that to say a politician, an engineer, doctor, lawyer etc and what you have is plainly a very blue collar occupation and that is the point I am making - blue collar workers are less likely than white collar workers to keep hushed about something untoward and so if blue collar workers were involved in this type of "cover up" I would expect it to be spilled all over the media by now.

 

[pgwenthold]

This is what happens when people try to use lingo intended for use by rocket scientists. The correct acronym is MECO, which stands for Main Engine CutOff.

I have to say, perhaps the only thing funnier than Loss Leader's post ("Lock the doors") was your response.

Classic. Absolutely classic.

 

[maccy]

Compare that to say a politician, an engineer, doctor, lawyer etc and what you have is plainly a very blue collar occupation and that is the point I am making - blue collar workers are less likely than white collar workers to keep hushed about something untoward and so if blue collar workers were involved in this type of "cover up" I would expect it to be spilled all over the media by now.

Nevertheless a fireman needs to show aptitude and complete training before embarking on the career. Are you implying that all academics would automatically be able to do this? Why are you implying that an academic skill-set necessarily leads to higher ethical standards than a practical one? Are you saying that people with degrees are better than people without degrees?

Please back up assertions with evidence

Especially, please provide evidence that blue-collar workers are worse at keeping secrets than white collar ones.

Some examples of academically qualified people who have not kept secrets:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_Spies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Five

also, the idea the politicians are good at keeping secrets is laughable.