Merged Psychological conditions are illusory

my god, it's like he saw how pissed off people got when he talked bollocks about autism yesterday, and decided to double down.

As I'm sure everyone here knows, autism isn't a recent invention, or an invention at all. The reason why it wasn't reported in the past is that in the past autistic children were just dismissed as feebleminded or (in considerably worse times) thought of as possessed by the devil.
 
I don't understand why identifying and naming a condition is disempowering. Could someone explain that to me?

I understand full well why referring to someone as their condition is disempowering, which is precisely why mental health services are transitioning away from doing such a thing, but what loss of power is there in identifying and giving name to the difficulties someone suffers?
 
Lamuella said:
I don't understand why identifying and naming a condition is disempowering. Could someone explain that to me?

I understand full well why referring to someone as their condition is disempowering, which is precisely why mental health services are transitioning away from doing such a thing, but what loss of power is there in identifying and giving name to the difficulties someone suffers?
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Jonesboy thinks that the condition doesn't exist, and from that line of "reasoning", it's perfectly "logical" to say that "giving someone the label autism" is disempowering, in the same way as labelling someone "green-coloured, and therefore unable to vote satisfactorily" would be disempowering.

This is mainly because jonesboy thinks that "giving someone the label autism means that their problems, if they exist, can be hand-waved away, and you can just put then full of medication, and not worry about them any more". At least, that's what I got out of them, for as far as was possible.

However, autism, ADHD, dyslexia and PTSD (am I missing any names jonesboy denies?) DO exist and they AREN'T being shoved aside (in most cases), and that's where jonesboy's "logic" rather clumsily and loudly falls to the ground.

I wish I could still care enough to put together a comprehensive rebuttal of jonesboy's nonsense, but I am thoroughly past that point now, and I will merely punch holes where I can, showing how ridiculous it actually is.
 
I'm not on the autism spectrum myself, but I work with a good number of therapists who work with autistic people. From what the have told me, a diagnosis can often be a very useful first step in allowing someone to deal with something like autism. The known can be a lot less scary than the unknown.
 
Lamuella said:
I'm not on the autism spectrum myself, but I work with a good number of therapists who work with autistic people. From what the have told me, a diagnosis can often be a very useful first step in allowing someone to deal with something like autism. The known can be a lot less scary than the unknown.
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My first-hand experience confirms the heck out of that.

So, jonesboy, any gainsaying and "you're all against me" posts coming our way?

I can't wait.
 
Andrew Wiggin said:
Step 1;Fail is caused by fail.

Step 2;I'll respell fail as OP.

Step 3;The OP is caused by fail.

Step 4;Fail is caused by chemical malfeasance of the brainpan

Step 5;The OP is suffering from a bad case of fail.

Step 6;The OP needs medicated with new 'Nofailazine' from Mercc. Ask your doctor about Nofailazine (dontsuckonlineolol HCl).

Step 7; Profit!
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By George, she's got it!
 
Craig4 said:
No sadness is an emotion. You're confusing that with depression which has specific diagnostic criteria. It's those criteria that differentiate it from sadness. Those criteria include, among other things loss of interest in things that bring pleasure, sleep difficulty, withdraw from friends and a few other things. This differentiates sadness and depression. Sadness is an emotion depression is an illness. Obviously we should treat the people with this illness since given the binary choice we can obviously favor one state over the other.
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You can do the same with any feeling, including 'depression'. You are merely referring depression to the same justification as sendas.
 
Jonesboy, why would you make such obscene comments about autism? What is your purpose? Why would you start off by even claiming that autism is a "recent invention"? And if "new clinic" is the medical model, then what is the "old clinic" and it's advantages?

Este
 
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Estellea said:
Jonesboy, why would you make such obscene comments about autism? What is your purpose? Why would you start off by even claiming that autism is a "recent invention"? And if "new clinic" is the medical model, then what is the "old clinic" and it's advantages?

Este
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Listen. I'm a likeable guy. I go to the Roath Park pub. I get greeted with "o, here's trouble", and then we all get jovial, prior to getting curmudgeony. Cur-mudgeony. That's a good word.

Hey dude, autism is a recent invention. Or did the cave men swing it?
 
Jonesboy said:
Listen. I'm a likeable guy. I go to the Roath Park pub. I get greeted with "o, here's trouble", and then we all get jovial, prior to getting curmudgeony. Cur-mudgeony. That's a good word.

Hey dude, autism is a recent invention. Or did the cave men swing it?
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I don't see where your likeability is of any relevance. The actual name of autism may be a "recent invention" ala early 20th century but the behaviours that are diagnostic for an autism spectrum disorder are older than we can know. Your disbelief does not invalidate that. Additionally, you neglected/refused to answer my other questions.

Este
 
Estellea said:
I don't see where your likeability is of any relevance. The actual name of autism may be a "recent invention" ala early 20th century but the behaviours that are diagnostic for an autism spectrum disorder are older than we can know. Your disbelief does not invalidate that. Additionally, you neglected/refused to answer my other questions.

Este
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An "autism spectrum disorder"?
Is the spectrum the disorder?
I thought "autism" was a syndrome?
 
Is it bad to call someone a chatbot? I think a post of mine was edited when I expressed this opinion. I wasn't trying to attack ad hominem; I just felt the responses seemed canned, not really responding to points raised by others.

Especially when it happens on multiple threads and starts seeming to have a pattern, in this case questioning certain neurological diagnoses or learning disabilites.
 
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