Merged Psychological conditions are illusory

Jonesboy said:
Listen carefully, it is disempowering because you become a patient.
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Um, no. Your politcal agenda is showing, where the **** do people become patients because of any label of dyslexia. It is a sub category of reading problems.

Even Ivor the Engineer, who relates his issues with the stigma of stuttering and questions categorization has never made that outrageous statement.

But now your over exagerated political agenda shows.

No one makes people with dyslexia patients.

You disempower people by pretending they don't have issues that you don't like the label for, by extension you probably think people with diabets should avoid treatment, people with paralysis should drag themselves on the floor and that people with dyslexia should not learn to read.

You have a real hang up with labels, some are useful, some are not, but utility and function are probably two more labels you don't like.
 
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Jonesboy said:
Yes. A condition refers to a physical impairment or injury.

This cannot be said of individuals - they are not "autists", or experience- however they behave or whatever they expereince.
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Then why do you even talk or write? We already know that words are not the objects themsleves.
 
Jonesboy said:
You've been sold the medical model. You've been sold the idea that your feelings are wrong, that your dreams, your physical manifestations are wrong. And you apply that model to all your options.
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I see Svengali, and how did you read my mind. I find panic uncomfortable, no one taught me that, no one told me that. My flash backs of being raped as a child were not pleasnt, no one taught me they were unpleasnt, it is not a discussion at school or in the media, society or culture.

It was a secret

You sir or madam are seriously mistaken and should stop pretending that you have any advice for people with anxiety disorders.

I have never been taught my feelings are wrong, you have a one trick pony, and it is rather boring.
 
Jonesboy said:
No- they wouldn't beg to differ. They would give it some thought. Unless they are believers.
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I find you lack of evidence, lacking...

Again you have a one trick pony, using a hammer in all situations is futile.

i suppose that rape victims who have flashbacks are just deluded?

You are promoting bad ideas, that somehow rape victims should embrace their feelings and they will get all better? That truama survivors will just heal becaus ethey are blocking their feelings. neofruedian magical infantile thinking that.

You have no evidence... I wonedr why?
 
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My guess is that Jonesboy subscribes to freudiam repression and thinks that primal screams are healing...

Typical anecdotal events, one person thinks they got better because of one event, but then they go on a crusade to show that they can impose their one event on everyone else.

Some stupid **** like this:
http://www.panicattack101.com/
 
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I'm just going to assume any thread you start is full of ignorance and not read them any more.
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I've been wondering whether to do the same! However, I learn a lot from reading the sensible, interesting responses... e.g. Quadraginta's.
 
Jonesboy said:
So ..not being able to read correctly is a condition?
but being able to read correctly is not a condition?
how so?
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No, people with dyslexia have a specific type of difficulty with reading. Having dyslexia is not equated with not being able to read correctly. In addition, it also has other characteristics associated with it.

Perhaps you should write to people who have dedicated their lives to understanding these conditions, and helping sufferers?
 
An ex-roommate of mine is diagnosed with minor dyslexia. It runs in his family. He is actually very apt at reading. There is difficulty, but he has learned how to work with this. His speed was slower than others I know who are as well read but his comprhension remained equal. A description he gave me of his reading was a constant concentration of unjumbling words and sounds in his mind as he read. If he were to read faster he can physically do so but his comprehension lags as he is unable to keep up the unjumbling as fast as his physical capability to just scan the text. In his opinion working with his dyslexia hones his skill at art, as he tends to view projects as jumbled and unjumbles them in his mind just as he does words.
 
Jonesboy said:
You believe in he existence of dyslexia?
So you mean that you believe that certain people, who write or read worse than others, have a condition?
A condition of what? Reading worse?
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I do believe in its existence but I'm not 100% convinced that it should be viewed as a disability or medical problem in the conventional sense. I'm all for giving those who struggle extra tuition using unorthodox methods if necessary but I would draw the line at extra time/scribes for written examinations as I think that is unfair especially considering some people can physically write more quickly than others. As I mentioned previously, I think its also unfair that some people who struggle with written language are just labelled slow and essentially neglected whereas others are given help for this.

I am of the opinion that modern society has become too fond of labelling problems as medical even though they don't have a tangible biological basis. ADHD would be an example - children being hyper or easily bored is normal and all they need is the proper motivation and attention, often they don't pay attention because they don't receive enough. Misbehaviour is perfectly normal as well and needs discipline not medical attention - when we were younger most of our parents would not have tolerated tantrums or let us 'be in charge' likewise the stereotypical teacher is like a kids TV presenter rather than the old witch that could inspire respect by just raising her voice but also be witty. It beggars belief that these kids receive psychotropic medication. The same goes for personality disorders - people who are merely shy, eccentric or plain criminal, take the 'disorder' off the end of the term and it would be fine.
 
I'm not interpreting data. I'm saying that YOU are interpreting data, by assigning certain ranges as conditions.
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You, sir, are a fraud. You have not presented any evidence that you have completed any sort of training in philosophy, and the above (along with your other posts) constitute adequate evidence that you have not taken any philosophy courses whatever.

If you had completed such training, you would understand that it's impossible to NOT interpret data--merely by observing it you're interpreting it. More important to this discussion, you said that dyslexia was simply part of the normal spectrum of reading--which is BY DEFINITION an interpretation of the data. It's also an unwarranted assumption, which any philosopher or scientist should be able to easily demonstrate (frankly you don't provide enough data to make ANY conclusion, other than to conclude that you don't know what you're talking about).

Listen carefully, it is disempowering because you become a patient.
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So what? I have an eye that doesn't work right. That disempowers me--I become a patient (spent years in therapy for it). That doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. The fact that my eye caused me to need medical treatment in no way negates the very real problem I have with my eye. And unless you're willing to say that physical disabilities are real, but mental ones aren't (which I wouldn't put past you), you have to agree that the simple fact that a mental disorder makes one a patient in no way invalidates that condition, any more than a physical disorder making one a patient invalidates the physical condition.

So which is it? Does my eye work, or is dyslexia real?

dafydd said:
Why does Jonesboy always multi-post in two minute periods?
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Because that's about as much thought as he puts into the topic, I believe. I mean, the errors he's making are pretty basic (not even on the subject--the errors in logic alone would go away if he spent five minutes thinking things through).
 
bikerdruid said:
jonesboy appears to be an expert on EVERYTHING.
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More accurately, Jonesboy appears to be sadly misinformed about everything.


We know Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is truly a disorder, because lives can be improved by carefully treating it. Lives are NOT improved by letting such stress linger unreasonably. People tend to seek ineffective, and often dangerous, ways of coping with it, if they are not guided.


This does NOT mean emotions are "wrong". No one is going to blame you for being emotional after a tragedy. But, the human mind was not designed to maintain its own sanity terribly well, after horrific tragedies occur. We are NOT seeking to deny emotion, but rather to put such emotions into constructive rather than destructive use, by carefully treating PTSD.
 
Wowbagger said:
More accurately, Jonesboy appears to be sadly misinformed about everything.


We know Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is truly a disorder, because lives can be improved by carefully treating it. Lives are NOT improved by letting such stress linger unreasonably. People tend to seek ineffective, and often dangerous, ways of coping with it, if they are not guided.


This does NOT mean emotions are "wrong". No one is going to blame you for being emotional after a tragedy. But, the human mind was not designed to maintain its own sanity terribly well, after horrific tragedies occur. We are NOT seeking to deny emotion, but rather to put such emotions into constructive rather than destructive use, by carefully treating PTSD.
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^^^true, very true...:(
 
Jonesboy, would you mind comparing the results of wait-list patients and patients who have a clinical intervention of some type. Which group has a better prognosis?
 
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